Sagamite:

A wide span of ages that we loosely term as boys/girls have reached their sexual maturity biologically, we just have the sense to usurp the rationale of biology because we know it is in their best interest to delay sexual activity.

There goes another confused theorist trying to bamboozle us with too much grammar. So "boys" in your idea means, apart from "pre-teen males", matured men as well. Are you a lawyer? The pastor probably needs your service to get him out of this one.

Wow, what a lot of headless chickens and internet gangstas!

Hi Sagamental, how are you? Still filling your unemployed time by spraying your homophobic hatred around, and insulting people who have the cheek to express an opinion? You and you others here, like ~Bluetooth, phreakabit, MsTom and chucz are hypocrites. If the pastor was your brother, wouldn't you say that what they did to him was enough? Why should he be killed? Why is there never any thread where gay issues are mentioned, where you unrealistic people don't start popping up and demanding death? Some people are gay, deal with it, it ain't gonna change. Modernity is going to pass you all by, if you try to block it, you will get squashed, that's what always happens.

The issue here is the man abusing a position of trust over young persons.

Sagamite:



They should have poured petrol on him to finish him off.  

But they tried sha.  

Quote from: Sagamite on Today at 12:29:47 PM
They should have poured petrol on him to finish him off.

Sagamite:

It was Christless? And so?

You think it is every one the gives a shyt about your Christful?

Will you carry yourself comot!

Aren't you on your last warning yet? You really need to be careful. If someone like Seun ever clicked https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria?action=profile;u=200060;sa=showPosts and reviewed some of your famous 'moronic', , he would probably decide that you are just a sick troll that lives to abuse other people,  then you would have to re-register, because he would bounce your ass out of this forum as fast as a low-flying okada driver that has just missed road into the gutter. He would note, quite quickly, that you detract from the site rather than adding to it, and this place would be a better, more polite and more attractive place without you. Like the world, actually. I say that, having seen many of the things you've said unnecessarily to other posters online.

All you do is squat online and attempt to intimidate others who differ from you by making uncouth statements. Your past posts are clear. Try progressing the argument in just one thread for a change.

The situation is clear. There is no case for capital punishment here (at least not in the eyes of the sane). It's likely the man used fake ritual behaviour and 'prayer' to take advantage of relatively young and innocent teenagers. The authorities should make sure he can't do that again. Too many of you commenters would want him burnt to death even if he was discovered with another man of his age. After all, you wouldn't be saying he should be killed for having sex with a 17-yr old girl, something which some of you probably did when you were 21 years old (aside from Sagamental, ). Hypocrites.

@ Ibexy

I don hear.

But why do people who commit some heinous acts in Nigeria go free after very little or no punishment?
Corrupt politicians, murderers, rapists, abusers of kids work freely on the street  

I bet if Adisa 'settles' police very well now, the case will be closed.
Don't u think this encourages more crimes to be committed?

IBEXY:

SHUT UP your mouth. What sobber reflection?. We should be thanking God this paedophile was discovered before he destroyed one more life. He actually confessed to having sex with a minor. Imagine your own child being forced into sexual union by a fully grown, balding and hairy man like that.

Do we need God to come down in this case before we condemn it as an evil act? God already gave us a brain to know right from wrong. To think this is one of the pastors who sit on the pulpit and label people as witches and wizards every sunday. Many shall come in my name.

if it were me i will be mad
but eventually forgive

Sagamite:

A wide span of ages that we loosely term as boys/girls have reached their sexual maturity biologically, we just have the sense to usurp the rationale of biology because we know it is in their best interest to delay sexual activity.

This Sagamite self. What exactly are you on about. This is about a man commiting gross indecency with minors and you are harping on about biological maturity??

Sagamite:



They should have poured petrol on him to finish him off. 

But they tried sha. 

[Obviously I don't advocate law breaking, but . . . . ]

so you support the idea of jungle justice? This man deserved to be punished according to the law but burning him alive is definitely a barbaric act that no sane person should advocate for, participate in or justify it for any reason.

oisehumen:

@ Ibexy
I don hear.
But why do people who commit some heinous acts in Nigeria go free after very little or no punishment?
Corrupt politicians, murderers, rapists, abusers of kids work freely on the street  ?

Well we are not talking about offenders who escape justice but a pastor who  hopefully will be speedily processed through the criminal justice system.
But if you , for some reason, are aggrieved at the pastor's arrest, you are free to take up his case, if you are that way qualified.

A barbaric act should be met with barbaric response. He should have been castrated before being beheaded. Asshole.

homosexuality is not a bigger sin than fornication or stealing Chinedumo


What authority do you have to evaluate the grieviance of any "SIN"?

HOMOSEXUALITY is morally EVIL and the greatar majority of citizens in Nigeria do not accept it because it is not part of us!

sleazy.5:

homosexuality is not a bigger sin than fornication or stealing Chinedumo


What authority do you have to evaluate the grieviance of any "SIN"?

HOMOSEXUALITY is morally EVIL and the greatar majority of citizens in Nigeria do not accept it because it is not part of us!

Very good question as to his authority. The guy just de form as if faggotry is not a death penalty offence in the bible.

oisehumen:

But why do people who commit some heinous acts in Nigeria go free after very little or no punishment?
Corrupt politicians, murderers, rapists, abusers of kids work freely on the street  

I bet if Adisa 'settles' police very well now, the case will be closed.
Don't u think this encourages more crimes to be committed?

A very good point, but not actually to do with this case. The local people can't very well kill this man, just because the justice system is corrupt. 'Street justice' too, makes mistakes sometimes, I've seen it happen with my own eyes.

Part of the problem here is that it is almost impossible to be gay in Naija without getting into trouble somehow. Luckily, it will change. I remember when even in Lagos educated people thought that divorce was a mortal sin.

The guy should be tried for sexual assault and go to jail for a while if found guilty - settling the police is not his fault. If he doesn't offer, the police will ask him.

snowdrops:

A barbaric act should be met with barbaric response. He should have been castrated before being beheaded. Asshole.

Given how ridiculous your own statement is, what barbaric punishment do you think you should receive?

sleazy.5:



homosexuality is not a bigger sin than fornication or stealing Chinedumo


What authority do you have to evaluate the grieviance of any "SIN"?

HOMOSEXUALITY is morally EVIL and the greatar majority of citizens in Nigeria do not accept it because it is not part of us!

Definitely the guy did something very wrong, but there is nothing evil about homosexuality ('morally EVIL'  is tautology). and what do you mean 'it is not part of us'? Gay men and women are not in the majority in any country. It's not your business to 'accept', or 'not accept' it, anyway. If any gay man begs you to remove your trouser, just say no.  

Unless you want to agree for him! I suppose you know that the most homophobic are men who have secret gay feelings, deep down hidden in the back of their soul, na fear dey do dem,

tensor777:

Very good question as to his authority. The guy just de form as if faggotry is not a death penalty offence in the bible.

Hosea 6:6 For I desire mercy, and not sacrifice, and the knowledge of God rather than burnt offerings


John 8:3The teachers of the law and the Pharisees brought in a woman caught in adultery. They made her stand before the group 4and said to Jesus, "Teacher, this woman was caught in the act of adultery. 5In the Law Moses commanded us to stone such women. Now what do you say?" 6They were using this question as a trap, in order to have a basis for accusing him.

  But Jesus bent down and started to write on the ground with his finger. 7When they kept on questioning him, he straightened up and said to them, "If any one of you is without sin, let him be the first to throw a stone at her." 8Again he stooped down and wrote on the ground.

9At this, those who heard began to go away one at a time, the older ones first, until only Jesus was left, with the woman still standing there. 10Jesus straightened up and asked her, "Woman, where are they? Has no one condemned you?"

11"No one, sir," she said.
     "Then neither do I condemn you," Jesus declared. "Go now and leave your life of sin."

snowdrops:

A barbaric act should be met with barbaric response. He should have been castrated before being beheaded. Asshole.

@snowdrops
I'm disappointed you made this comment, I wonder what sort of laws you'll enforce in England if you're truly occupying 10 Downing street, ------ jungle justice

tensor777:

Very good question as to his authority. The guy just de form as if faggotry is not a death penalty offence in the bible.

You have me thinking here. In your post on "my husband is gay" something like that, you said being gay was a mental illness. Why then if I may ask are you saying that the act of being gay is an act punishable by death in the bible? Your sexual orientation is not a sickness. It is a choice one makes. Whether being gay or being a pediophile or what not, all are choices made whether good or bad and man must pay the consequences of their choices.

ruba_slipa:


Given how ridiculous your own statement is, what barbaric punishment do you think you should receive?

I can see you are a gay right "liberated" activist. Despite the fact that innocent young boys have being raped by this animal you fail to appreciate the severity and appalling nature of his crime, as you clearly are blindfolded by his sexual orientation.
SHAME ON YOU.
Disgusting.

tunnytox:

@snowdrops
I'm disappointed you made this comment, I wonder what sort of laws you'll enforce in England if you're truly occupying 10 Downing street, ------ jungle justice

Sexual offences rank amongst some of the most heinous crimes on the land. It is an offence against God, man and morality. Sexual predators have some of the highest rate of repetition. They should be shown no mercy and must be punished to the very last letter of the law.
Homosexuality remain unafrican, immoral and a sin. It should be discouraged and frowned upon.
I stand by my statement. What he had done should attract the death penalty, by what means i dont care.

Sure, homosexuality is both sin and alien to Africa.

Typical of Nigerians to cook up the usual story about juju and "ritual purposes". Of course there's no other explanation why anybody would let a man bugger his backside. After all, homosexuality is a western phenomenon.  There are no gays in Nigeria. /sarcasm

I'm not trying to defend paedophilia but I don't see what the big deal is. The boy was 17 years old which is well above the age of consent in Nigeria while the "gay pastor" was only 4 years older. If he had been doing the same thing to 17yr old girls, nobody would have batted an eyelid.
There was no suggestion of violence, nobody was forced to do anything they didn't want to do. And a 17 year old should be old enough to fight back or raise alarm if he doesn't like what is being done to him. Nobody could have tried that shiat with me when I was 17.

I wouldn't be surprised if it turns out that one of the boys just cooked up this story because he got caught and didn't want to be branded a gay (the classic "he forced me" defense) or because he caught his boyfriend cheating on him.

In short, no crime was committed and other than a few gays there's nothing to see here. The mob leaders should be arrested for assault and and unlawful imprisonment though.

Oh, and by the way, is anybody looking for proof that Nigerians (and nairalanders) are a bunch of violent, intolerant, homophobic thugs? Just keep reading.

@ chinedumo

I dont advocate jungle justice. We live in a civilized society by African standards and as such follow the laws of the land.
That said allowing all criminals to go scot free to repent of their sins may be the norm in Vatican city, but we all know that as we are in Nigeria that is unimaginable and would be an outrage.

Punishment must be the reward of crime and it must be compatible with the gravity of the offence. Otherwise what we will have is anarchy.

@ Evil Brain

Oh what a surprise. Evil brain defending evil. Lawd have mercy.

i had a similar experience too >>> i was in K.C >>> 9 years at that time >>> this guy (a year my senior) called me to one dark corner to
send me an 'errand'   >>>   i no go give details >>> but suffice to say no anal bursting occured  phew   was i lucky >>> others weren't  
this guy thretened to kill me if i told anyone   >>> seriously i couldn't have cared less >>> luckily i had a confidante in my late mom (of blessed memory)   and i told her >>> she took up the case >>> i dunno what his parents did but when a meeting was called over the issue the guy looked sober >>> talkless of the beating my school father & his mates (in JSS 3 gave him) >>> do the maths & u wonder how kids pick up things like this at such age >>> probably the pastor had devloped the habit in his teens & unforunately not caught

personally >>> i think pornography is a crux in the matter

for the pastor >>>  u reap what u sow

NOTE FOR STUPID PEOPLE >>> this na true story

snowdrops:

Sexual offences rank amongst some of the most heinous crimes on the land. It is an offence against God, man and morality. Sexual predators have some of the highest rate of repetition. They should be shown no mercy and must be punished to the very last letter of the law.
Homosexuality remain unafrican, immoral and a sin. It should be discouraged and frowned upon.
I stand by my statement. What he had done should attract the death penalty, by what means i dont care.

Really, you must be very young, or extremely old. Try to get your facts straight.

Sexual offences are very personal, but there are far more heinous. In fact, burning someone to death that you yourself are suggesting, is exactly an example of a more heinous crime than this case.

'It is an offence against God, man and morality'

Nonsense. Globally, different gods, and different men have different views on homosexuality (it is clear that you think [b]that [/b]is the man's real offence - you don't really care about the young boys). The only morality you can guarantee is your own, also, and judging by your attitude, that ain't much.

'They should be shown no mercy and must be punished to the very last letter of the law.'

Contradictory statement in one sentence. Very few countries would impose death sentence for this offence, sorry.

You have a point about the high recidivism rate of sexual predators, but again, I doubt whether you have ever complained about the high rate of male-female rape in Naija, and how often men get away with that. Why haven't you? Anyway, good luck with trying to reform gay men. They aren't all predators. It's a 'sin' you would be busy doing in Europe or the US, if you were a privileged Nigerian, like all the rest of the gay Naijas on the 'DL'. It's the poor who get caught at what many do.

As for 'unafrican', is Africa a country? Only one culture? Your attitude reminds me of Naija government officials back in the 90s, who did not want to set up a mobile phone network and let people communicate. They were making statements about GSM then like, 'it causes problems', 'it is not for ordinary people', and 'it is unafrican'. Laughable nonsense.

If I were you, I wouldn't stand by that statement - it makes you look worse.

OMG what happened to our highly cherished jungle justice, they would have burnt the man alive before the intervention of the Baale of Alafia.

i always wonder why Nigerians take on a 'holier-than-thou' posture >>> in respect of homosexuality
and oher sexual 'misnomers' >>> it's obvious homosexuality, lesbianism, pornography & the likes are widespread, albiet, camouflaged
& yet i oft see, statements like this :

oisehumen:

Sure, homosexuality is both sin and alien to Africa.

hmmphhh !!! >>> my point >>> the more we are hypocritical about this issue the tendency to spread like an undetected virus

i ain't pro-gay, definitely not homophobic >>> but a bit ambivalent about being called anti-gay
but seriously >>> burning someone caught bursting a child >>> as Jesus said >>> if u've not sinned >>> by all means
cast the first stone

The fool is lucky he wasnt killed.people just think they can make mockery of God

snowdrops:

@ Evil Brain

Oh what a surprise. Evil brain defending evil. Lawd have mercy.

No, don't get me wrong. I have no problem with bludgeoning a young man to death without trial. Its completely worth it so we can have a gay-free nation. After all, all Nigeria's problems have been clearly proven to be caused by rampant homosexuality. I say we murder them all.

Think of the children!!!

@ ruba_slipa

You are a very confused person. Its obvious that you either did not read my post or you were too much in a hurry to post some garbage as response that you failed to properly assimilate my point of view.

Firstly, sexual offence cover all LISTEN sexual offences, not only homosexual rape. Hope that is self explanatory eh. What makes such act really gruesome is not only the sexual nature but the violence covert or overt that is associated with it. That should tell you that all such crimes as far as i am concerned should attract fierce penalty. FULL STOP.

Secondly get it into your thick cerebrum that i never said homosexuals should be hung, what they do in their private lives is a matter between themselves and their God and conscience. However i stated and i will say again that it goes against the African culture, plain and simple. And yes, even if you were trying desperately to be ridiculous by spewing rhetoric of Africa being a country, we as Africans especially subsaharan black Africa all have a unique cultural identity just like you would agree with me the Europeans, Latin Americans etc does.

We have to fight to defend that culture, so that we can pass it unadulterated to out children and generations yet unborn. The gullible few amongst us see everything the whiteman does as gift from god himself. Yet despite years of polygamy in Africa the whiteman continue to see this as rightly barbaric and would not practice such.

Not everything from the west is bad and evil, but common sense should prevail that man was naturally designed to be with a woman. That is how evolution created man and other living organisms.

However, the debate remain that of a criminal sexual predator, his crime, the victim and his punishment. If you guys want to discuss the evils of homosexuality better create another thread.

Its seems the voices of the minority vocal and misinformed gay right activist are alarmingly deafening this afternoon.
MAY GOD SAVE NIGERIA.

Did the minors complain to their parents that they were having sex with the pastor? If not that means they too were enjoying it. is part of democracy,freedom of choice,either you Bleep pussy or you Bleep ass

Evil Brain:

No, don't get me wrong. I have no problem with bludgeoning a young man to death without trial. Its completely worth it so we can have a gay-free nation. After all, all Nigeria's problems have been clearly proven to be caused by rampant homosexuality. I say we murder them all.

Think of the children!!!

Stop disgracing your old age and have a proper debate hear. Dont twist issues. Nobody advocates jungle justice. Even Osama Bin Ladin should be made to pass through the proper channels of the law.

You should for ones remove the gay issue here, as see it as someone who raped minors. Imagine if those were your sons, nephews, etc. Show some human feelings for once.

Echidime:

Did the minors complain to their parents that they were having sex with the pastor? If not that means they too were enjoying it. is part of democracy,freedom of choice,either you bleep kitty or you bleep backside

So its ok to have sex with children so long as they dont complain eh.

Christ have mercy,