violent:


actually they are not dumb!. . they all just want to get richer and bother less about the poor class,  . .that's where the courrption factor comes in.

Tafa Balogun was busy swimming in billions while junior police officers languished and begged for money by the road side. . .and someone says corruption isn't the problem?. .

Well what allows these politicians to be so corrupt? It all traces back to oil.

Oil = corruption

Rentier state at its finest.

Corruption is not our problem but the brazen show of corruption is.

Every nation has corrupt people but the corrupt ones dont lord it over the non corrupt people.

Laws dont work here so that if you are caught you can be adequately dealt with.

Let us take a break from the govt corruption, lets take a look at the banks, when Sanusi sacked Cecilia Ibru, her son who was an ED was also sacked but the boy resurfaced as MD of Aero Contractors, it is a classical case of corruption, did we forget Abachas son who told us that no matter how much the govt took back from its family they could not be as wretched as Dangote

The policemen collect tolls as though they could give receipt, blind men have drivers licence in Nigeria everyone is involved.

Ajumogobia said and I still stand beside his call, the laws should change to fight corruption, if you are accused of corruption the onus of proof should be on you to justify that you are not corrupt.

This would bring a new era, i would also suggest that we amend our laws so that anyone who gives a bribe is not guilty of an offence but whoever receives the bribe is the guilty person.

The implication is that if you are been offered a bribe it could be a setup and when you ask for a bribe the individual can pay and report of his being a victim.

asha 80:

let me ask this question though.since corruption is nigeria's bane by comments here how do we hope to curb it to the barest minimum since according to ola olabiy it is ingrained in our culture?

how do we create a situation where corruption becomes less attractive in the country ?

You develop systems and institutions that will discourage corruption.You do that by empowering and incentivising the officials who run it. Corruption is easy to stamp out but it must come from the top, otherwise it is futile. Think about how Elliot Ness was empowered by J Edgar Hoover; also how Gulliani dismantled the New York Cosa Nostra in the 90's. You always start at the top, the rest will fall in line.

violent:

You are wrong sir!

we did grow our pie, that's why our GDP went from 170 billion in 2005 to over 370 billion in 2010.  The point is, some individuals just want the entire pie to themselves.

It's better we have a small pie with few selfish individuals, even if everyone is hungry, we at least have something to chew on!

Err, those #s sound wrong to me. 17% GDP growth per year is not what Nigeria has experienced over the past 5 years. More like 8-9% tops, iirc.

Katsumoto:

Most Nigerians do not even know the genesis of endemic and systemic corruption in Nigeria; I doubt Ruhl knows what he is talking about. Also, going by the antecedents of the IMF and world bank, I am more inclined to doubt their intentions. Why would the world bank be worried about corruption in Nigeria when Royal Dutch Shell is the biggest corporation in Europe yet it has no natural resources of its own? ExxonMobil is one of the largest traded companies in the world, usually no 1 or 2. Corruption is all around these western companies but they manage to make billions yearly out of Nigeria.

I ask again, why would corruption be a problem for western interests?

Their intention is suspect.

marvix:

Corruption is not our problem but the brazen show of corruption is.

Every nation has corrupt people but the corrupt ones dont lord it over the non corrupt people.

Laws dont work here so that if you are caught you can be adequately dealt with.

Let us take a break from the govt corruption, lets take a look at the banks, when Sanusi sacked Cecilia Ibru, her son who was an ED was also sacked but the boy resurfaced as MD of Aero Contractors, it is a classical case of corruption, did we forget Abachas son who told us that no matter how much the govt took back from its family they could not be as wretched as Dangote

The policemen collect tolls as though they could give receipt, blind men have drivers licence in Nigeria everyone is involved.

Ajumogobia said and I still stand beside his call, the laws should change to fight corruption, if you are accused of corruption the onus of proof should be on you to justify that you are not corrupt.

This would bring a new era, i would also suggest that we amend our laws so that anyone who gives a bribe is not guilty of an offence but whoever receives the bribe is the guilty person.

The implication is that if you are been offered a bribe it could be a setup and when you ask for a bribe the individual can pay and report of his being a victim.

If you change the laws, don't you still have to enforce them? Wont people simply pay bribes to corrupt policmen who arrest them? Don't people get literally get away with murder in Nigeria?

Kalu Akanu:

Corruption is everywhere. All nations have some form of corruption, so this is not the problem.

Nigeria's problem is that it is a Rentier State suffering from a resource curse. That is the problem.

Everywhere but by a few. No country can be healthy if saddled with the kind of endemic corruption we have in Nigeria.

asha 80:

let me ask this question though.since corruption is nigeria's bane by comments here how do we hope to curb it to the barest minimum since according to ola olabiy it is ingrained in our culture?

how do we create a situation where corruption becomes less attractive in the country ?

Verily Verily i say onto thee, it is easier for a 10 camels to go through the eye of a needle at once than to curb corruption in Nigeria.

If you ask the average Nigerian kid what he wants to be in the future, you'd be alarmed with the number of people who'd reply with the generic "i want to be a rich man". . . .they simply don't want to care how!. . . the same mentality is common even up till the tertiary level, no one cares about improving the world, everyone just want to be rich.

The only reason corruption thrives is because of the widening gap between the rich and the poor class of the society, we need to save the middle class!

Banks run on cprruption and sworn secrets,secrets that holds d commoners down.World bank na wayo.

Katsumoto:

Correct

Did Robinson crusoe own the island he was shipwrecked on as he was the only inhabitant; he had no one to enforce any rights on.

The point I am trying to make is that the Nigerian mentality is to be rich while others are poor. How else can you have your way? How else can you take someone else's wife? How else can you beat your mechanic and lock him up? How else can a 65 year old pot-bellied baboon sleep with his grand-daughter's friends? Corruption is a way of life and it ensures that those that are rich are able to dominate those that aren't.

Corruption is the problem

Thank you jare. Wanton oppression whenever we have the opportunity. Brazen and flagrant disregard for rule of law.

Sorta nuts to me that ya'll are so paranoid about the World Bank. You can read their reports themselves, figure out whether you gree or no gree.

But abstract, vague paranoia? Makes no sense.

They've spent a lot of resources researching the Nigerian economy and understanding the investment climate here. At least take their work as a starting point rather than discarding it.

Katsumoto:

If you change the laws, don't you still have to enforce them? Wont people simply pay bribes to corrupt policmen who arrest them? Don't people get literally get away with murder in Nigeria?

That is why he says people have to take responsibility. Just heard today a DDC machine in Abuja was broken. Why? Fracas! Because a pastor bribed a policeman to jump queue. Now who is to blame is it the "Bribee" or the bribed. We need enforceable laws and that is through an independent judiciary. It is not everyone that is corrupt but like in this case the pastor should be in jail by now.

katsumoto e be like say old rich men wey dey sleep young girls dey pain you well well.you too dey mention am in different posts

Kalu Akanu:

Corruption is everywhere. All nations have some form of corruption, so this is not the problem.

Nigeria's problem is that it is a Rentier State suffering from a resource curse. That is the problem.

This corruption is everywhere argument is tiring.
1. How many nations have spent the same levels of funds on their power sector with nothing to show for it?
2. How many nations have defunct National air carrier
3. How many nations have senators earning $1.2 milliona annually in salary
4. How many nations have an Ajaokuta steel complex
5. How many nations have 4 non-functioning refineries
6. How many nations have crude oil but still import petrol and diesel
7. How many nations have all its parastatals dead?

I could go on and on but I am sure some get the point. How many nations have all these items and more?

There is a difference between taking 5% cut for recommending a particular contract and stealing the entire $500 million meant to tar a road or provide healthcare, etc.

Err. This is the second time I've seen you use old rich men sleeping with young girls as an example, @Katsumoto.

You really think that is an example of corruption

kcjazz:

That is why he says people have to take responsibility. Just heard today a DDC machine in Abuja was broken. Why? Fracas! Because a pastor bribed a policeman to jump queue. Now who is to blame is it the "Bribee" or the bribed. We need enforceable laws and that is through an independent judiciary. It is not everyone that is corrupt but like in this case the pastor should be in jail by now.

The rich will not obey the rules/law

Katsumoto:

You develop systems and institutions that will discourage corruption.You do that by empowering and incentivising the officials who run it. Corruption is easy to stamp out but it must come from the top, otherwise it is futile. Think about how Elliot Ness was empowered by J Edgar Hoover; also how Gulliani dismantled the New York Cosa Nostra in the 90's. You always start at the top, the rest will fall in line.

i can understand institutions but you have to explain to me about systems with nigeria and not USA in mind.

eku_bear:

Err, those #s sound wrong to me. 17% GDP growth per year is not what Nigeria has experienced over the past 5 years. More like 8-9% tops, iirc.

I'm using the GDP in terms of Purchasing Power Parity and not the GDP real rate. I know the PPP is an imperfect factor for measuring the GDP but it is sufficient in the context of my earlier argument.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_Nigeria

asha 80:

katsumoto e be like say old rich men wey dey sleep young girls dey pain you well well.you too dey mention am in different posts  

eku_bear:

Err. This is the second time I've seen you use old rich men sleeping with young girls as an example, @Katsumoto.

You really think that is an example of corruption

It is. Do that in the UK and you surely have your public image and political carrier thrown to the dogs.


You don't just demend for sex before you render services.

^^It is also a good example of oppression. I need to have sex with your daughter before are allowed to fetch water in my compound.

ola olabiy:

It is. Do that in the UK and you surely have your public image and political carrier thrown to the dogs.


You don't just demend for sex before you render services.

Wtf. Plenty of rich old dudes all over the world sleep with young women. That is the way of life for old rich dudes across the world. That is part of the point of being rich anywhere.

Has absolutely nothing to do with corruption in Nigeria.

How many civil nation does d police mount road for d main aim of collecting bribe from road users?

violent:

I'm using the GDP in terms of Purchasing Power Parity and not the GDP real rate.  I know the PPP is an imperfect factor for measuring the GDP but it is sufficient in the context of my earlier argument.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_Nigeria

Hrm, never seen people looking at PPP growth rate and using that as a basis for comparison, people usually use GDP growth rate, from what I've seen. But I'm not an expert, so you might be right.

eku_bear:

Wtf. Plenty of rich old dudes all over the world sleep with young women. That is the way of life for old rich dudes across the world. That is part of the point of being rich anywhere.

Has absolutely nothing to do with corruption in Nigeria.

And, do they do this too before being admitted to study at uni/college or in order to pass exams?

asha 80:

i can understand institutions but you have to explain to me about systems with nigeria and not USA in mind.

If you develop a system of jailing or killing corrupt public officials and seizing all their assets including those abroad, then you will get at the root of the problem. Do you know what you will do in the fight against corruption if you not only jail IBB, OBJ, Anenih, etc but also seize their entire assets? You are sending a clear message that you may loot but your end will be wretched. The worst fear of a rich man is to become poor. If Nigeria signs agreements with most foreign nations, then it can also seize assets abroad and ensure that they are returned to the country should they run.

A sincere Nigerian president can do all these.

How can a country function without a police force?

Corruption is not the bane of Nigeria’s development but the lack of determination to move forward, Mr Onno  Ruhl, the World Bank’s Country Director in Nigeria, has said.
“Don’t think it (corruption) is Nigeria ’s problem. I think corruption is important but I really don’t think it is the only thing or may be not the decisive thing,” he said.

To an extent, I agree with the above!

eku_bear:

Hrm, never seen people looking at PPP growth rate and using that as a basis for comparison, people usually use GDP growth rate, from what I've seen. But I'm not an expert, so you might be right.

PPP MEASURES LIVING STANDARD BETTER.

Are we going to keep talking about who gets which job?

^^^That right there is corruption. Giving jobs to people not based on merit is corruption. Doing favors with important positions is corruption.

redsun:

How many civil nation does d police mount road for d main aim of collecting bribe from road users?

There are entire muncipalites across the US whose primary source of income is speeding tickets. Like, you'll have this amazing long and straight highway, very little traffic on it. They'll set the speed limit on it to 65 or 55.

Obviously, nobody wants to drive for 55 or 65 on a highway that can comfortably and safely take 80 mph.

So these towns just flag down people they catch driving above the speed limit (which is going to be a lot) and write them huge tickets.

I remember one time I was driving from Colorado to Houston, I paid a $550 ticket for speeding.

Now, technically I broke the law by doing what I did. But at the same time, we all know what is going on. . . that check I mailed for $550 is how they feed their town. So they have a huge incentive to make the speed limit in their municipality really low.

Now, how does this differ from a Nigerian policeman stopping people for bribe?  

Who knows, maybe I'm out of line, but to me they seem the same sort of thing.

eku_bear:

Wtf. Plenty of rich old dudes all over the world sleep with young women. That is the way of life for old rich dudes across the world. That is part of the point of being rich anywhere.

Has absolutely nothing to do with corruption in Nigeria.

Seriously, at what point in your life did you live in Nigeria?

What allure is there for a 21 year to sleep with an old baboon if not to share his ill-gotten wealth?