jason123:

You are right. OIL has made Nigerians lazy! People do not want to work anymore, all they want is to get rich QUICKLY. This has contributed to the way people see corruption as a good habit. According to Nigerian policemen, " MAN MUST CHOP NOW"!

EzzyIzzy:

[b]The stagnation of our development is hinged squarely on corruption. Corruption has eaten away at our institutions,check it, education,all levels of government and worst of all our moral values! [/b]I so disagree with then IMF man, these guys make their statements to achieve an objective,they are professionals.

How do we tackle this? I strongly agree with Katsumoto,lack of a effective deterrent to offenders. I mean look at China,if your caught,you are a dead man. Here in our land,the bigger money you steal the less the punishment.

Look at Cecilia Ibru and the rest,if this was in the US,everything related to her will be confiscated and all of them will be given long sentences. But today what are they paying for their crimes! They still get to keep part of the loot.

There are so many examples. What we need is a person like Buhari who will use an iron hand to deal with this cancer called corruption!

eku_bear:


Look, from my perspective, in both situations the authorities set up unjust laws (55 mph speed limit on a road that can easily take 80+; power to detain drivers on the silly pretext of looking for documentation X, Y, and Z, making sure not an armed robber, etc) to extract cash from commuters.

Both are government shakedowns for cash, are they not? Setup an unjust law to extract money. Yet one is viewed as OK, and the other an example of prime evil  

asha 80:

ok let us assume that buhari becomes the president for the next 8 yrs and curbs reduces corruption to the barest minimum.after he leeaves office what next?what is the gurauntee that the next person is going to continue from where he stopped?remember efcc under ribadu and efcc now under waziri?

the issue is that we have a system that encourages corruption.we need to set up strong systems not strong individuals.

jason123:

My brother, my opinion is that we as Nigerians are never truthful to ourselves. It's because we  would never support anyone that tries to persecute those politicians. The ethnic and religious sentiments would not allow us to do this. We need massive education programs that occurred in the old west to happen in Nigeria so that people can be aware. Most of these politicians, would just hire thugs if things do not go there way as we saw how Atiku did in the north a few days ago. For this reason, I support ACN.

@ your second paragraph,
No one has the liver but and no one will ever have the liver to do such except a disciplined military government but you have to agree that buhari has been given so much undeserved credit. Idiagbon was the one that made those drastic changes.
Right now, I have concluded that corruption cannot be removed totally, its impossible but measures can be taken to reduce it drastically by decentralising the power.

Katsumoto:

See below; I was going to make that point but the poster below captures it accurately. Why set up a company that you can only steal from when it becomes profitable in 5 years when you can loot oil revenue?

eku_bear:

It is what it is. Government shakedown = government shakedown. If one is evil, then so is the other. I can tell you I'd prefer not to have written a large check to support some economically unviable town in the middle of nowhere.

Kilode?!:

You are now having fun

Agree or disagree with the speed limit law, point is; it went through due process.

The Policeman harassing you and your family for N50 is not acting on any process written in law. no process to it at all, it is haphazard, it it corrupt, it is blatant dehumanizing oppression. It happens too much in Nigeria!

violent:

A girl's personal choice to sleep with an older man is not and should not in any way be defined alongside with corruption, for sam's sake it's a séx between too consenting adults the fact that one is older does not and should not matter.  There aren't laws that prohibits adults from having sexual intercourse with each others, except in a religious state.

why are we even discussing this to begin with?  

dayokanu:


When a good govt come and pick everyone from all side of the country without bias, you would see that the people would hail the person. You think if OBJ is thrown into prison people in the SW wont throw a party? or if Anenih is caught people wont celebrate? Why didnt ppl protest when they picked up Bode George?

The protest can only be if the populace feel the govt is biased by practising selective justice.

If your solution is decentralising power, who do you think would want to decentralised power, A GEJ and cohorts who profits from the system as it is or a Buhari?

eku_bear:

So when he harasses you for that N50, in theory you don't have to pay, right? But he'll just waste your time if you do not. He'll waste your time asking for papers X, Y, and Z. And if you don't have them, then he'll want to take you to the police station, basically waste your entire day.

It isn't like they are just pointing a gun to your head asking for money, is it? At least as a general rule, that is not how it happens (from what I've seen.) They'll just find some permit/paper that you are supposed to have, which you do not.

asha 80:

eku bear

the police in those climes give you a cheque for overspeeding( yes maybe not reasonable for that long strech of road).it is a way for generating revenue for that town.however in nigeria a police man will stop you for egunje most times for absolutely no reason.of course be reat assured that the money is for himself and not for any danm town.

eku_bear:

So when he harasses you for that N50, in theory you don't have to pay, right? But he'll just waste your time if you do not. He'll waste your time asking for papers X, Y, and Z. And if you don't have them, then he'll want to take you to the police station, basically waste your entire day.

It isn't like they are just pointing a gun to your head asking for money, is it? At least as a general rule, that is not how it happens (from what I've seen.) They'll just find some permit/paper that you are supposed to have, which you do not.

eku_bear:

So when he harasses you for that N50, in theory you don't have to pay, right? But he'll just waste your time if you do not. He'll waste your time asking for papers X, Y, and Z. And if you don't have them, then he'll want to take you to the police station, basically waste your entire day.

It isn't like they are just pointing a gun to your head asking for money, is it? At least as a general rule, that is not how it happens (from what I've seen.) They'll just find some permit/paper that you are supposed to have, which you do not.

EzzyIzzy:

Hello when you say system encourages corruption,what 'system' are you talking about? Corruption thrives because there is no punishment to deter a would be offender.

Let a sincere man get to the center,he will cause laws to be enacted that will effectively mete out appropriate punishment.
Look at Lagos state,is it not much saber these days,amongst the things the Governor did was to cause the state assembly to enact harsh penalties for road offenders,and you can see now that road users in Lagos have become saner!

So to me its not about federalism

There was pandemonium at Akonwonjo area of Lagos State following the death of a commercial bus driver simply identified as Kazeem.

Mr. Kareem, in his late 20s, was allegedly shot dead about 3.15pm on Tuesday by a trigger-happy policeman over N50.

The policeman, attached to a patrol vehicle in the area, allegedly shot Mr. Kazeem at the Vulcanizer Bus stop at Egbeda, over the bus driver's refusal to give the policemen who were on stop-and-search operation, the money.

Other commercial buses and tricycles were giving the policemen the tip of N50 each time they passed by the officials.

Mr. Kazeem was said to have complained about the endless extortion by the policemen and when he was stopped, he refused to pay the money, saying that he had paid his due to the policemen.

As he was driving off with the passengers in his bus, the policeman was said to have corked his gun and shot him. The bullet allegedly hit him on the head and he died instantly.

An eye witness, who identified herself as Toyin, narrated what happened.

"I was standing at the Vulcaniser bus stop to board a bus to my house when I heard a gunshot. The bullet hit a commercial bus driver who was conveying some passengers, and the driver lost control of his vehicle and the vehicle hit the bus in front of him. The policeman who shot him was demanding for N50 tip, but the driver said he had paid N50 before. He was driving off when the police shot him."

Riot breaks out

Mr. Kareem's death led to a violent protest in the area. Bus drivers and other residents of the area took to the streets with dangerous weapons and attacked the police patrol van. The police men took to their heels, but the official who allegedly shot the driver was apprehended by the mob.

They dragged him on the ground and used broken bottles and machete on him. The policeman was later rescued by the combined efforts of other policemen, the Rapid Response Squad (RRS), and men of the mobile police squad.

More than 200 policemen were immediately drafted to the area, while police patrol vans, numbering 15, were at the scene of the incident to quell the rioters, with a helicopter hovering over the area.

The mob, however, were not deterred by the presence of the policemen as they went wild, destroying everything belonging to the police, while others chased any policeman they saw.

A senior police officer at the scene of the accident said the incident was unfortunate.

"Before we got here, the damage has been done. A policeman was in the pool of his own blood, and the hoodlums were using dangerous weapons to fight us. Initially, our men were shooting to stop the hoodlums, because some of them were using AK47 guns, machetes, and other weapons to attack us. All the DPO in and around Egbeda have been deployed to the scene, and more officers were deployed from Ikeja Division, to assist," he said.

When contacted on the incident almost immdiately, the police spokesperson, Frank Mba, said he had not been briefed on the incident. "I don't have details yet" he said in a text message.

But shortly afterwards, he sent another text message, saying "The police has returned normalcy to the area. The case is under investigation, the police officers will be dealt with in accordance with the law, including dismissal and prosecution, if they are found wanting."

He added, however, that prosecution awaits "the thugs who took the laws into their hands."

"We believe that jungle justice has no place in our criminal justice system, and two wrongs cannot make a right. 24 persons have been arrested and transferred to the SCID Panti for profiling and investigation," Mr. Mba said.

A similar incident happened at Ishashi area of the state, barely two weeks ago, when a policeman allegedly shot dead a commercial motorcycle rider over his refusal to give the policeman a bribe of N20. The commercial motorcycle riders in the area took to the streets and protested the death of their colleague.

http://234next.com/csp/cms/sites/Next/News/Metro/Crime/5599728-146/story.csp

https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-486794.0.html

ola olabiy:

Why are you talking like this. You are annoying those who live in Nigeria and experience this daily.

Waste your day just like that. And, for your info, you can be shot because opf 50 naira. Ok?

EzzyIzzy:

Hello when you say system encourages corruption,what 'system' are you talking about? Corruption thrives because there is no punishment to deter a would be offender.
Let a sincere man get to the center,he will cause laws to be enacted that will effectively mete out appropriate punishment.
Look at Lagos state,is it not much saber these days,amongst the things the Governor did was to cause the state assembly to enact harsh penalties for road offenders,and you can see now that road users in Lagos have become saner!

So to me its not about federalism

asha 80:

were will you get the sincere man from within naija?

when fashola leaves office what is the guarantee that the next person will do same.

you do not know what you are talking about if you understimate the effect the unitary system masquarading as federalsm that we are practicing.

Beaf:


Improve the system and you kill corruption. The sharing of free money at Abuja is the number one reason for our shabby values. We need true federalism that will allow the people to actually generate money. Nigeria is a total embarrassment as far as development is concerned, we are an absolute disgrace.

asha 80:

were will you get the sincere man from within naija?

when fashola leaves office what is the guarantee that the next person will do same.

you do not know what you are talking about if you understimate the effect the unitary system masquarading as federalsm that we are practicing.

Beaf:

That is a roundabout argument. There is punishment for corruption in Nigeria, there are laws and there is a constitution. If these are not being adhered to, it is because the system allows or even encourages such breaches. Nobody is born corrupt, the system IS inefectual and was designed by corrupt generals so they could continue to milk the economy after they had left power.
In Lagos you have given as an example, Fashola has completely changed[b] the system [/b] to get a few things working (the emphasis is on "few". It would require a total systemic change to get Lagos to operate even at West African standards; outside West Africa (talkless of the West), the organisation of Lagos is a disgrace, there is still a very long way to go.

Improve the system and you kill corruption. The sharing of free money at Abuja is the number one reason for our shabby values. We need true federalism that will allow the people to actually generate money. Nigeria is a total embarrassment as far as development is concerned, we are an absolute disgrace.

Katsumoto:

It can be done. One day monkey go go market but he no go return. There are people who can do it but it is a question of getting there.

eku_bear:

Fair enough. If I'm wrong I'm wrong. I guess I've been lucky not to experience the negative parts of police in Nigeria, who knows. O[b]r maybe it doesn't affect you if you are above some level of wealth.
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oyb:

more on roads

last year, several nigerians died in a ghastly motor accident where police set u their n50 road block and  petrol tanker with bad  brakes caused a pile up which became  an inferno

some five years ago, a classmate of mine died in an accident in which some frsc officials who were causing a hold up on a downward road ran away when a with a trailer with bad brakes came along

it goes on and on

our SON has been compromised, so i have spent N8000 on my fecking chinese generator and it is still not working because of fake brand new spare parts