@Justkunmi

While i agree with you that he is the grand-master of Mind games but let examine the issues one by one.

He didnt start this but respond to "No History chants of Liverpudians", which is what most Nairalanders chant as well.

1) What is history in the first instance?
Its obvious that my english is not sound but i knew history is "the past", "olden past", "account", "narration".
Even a 2 years old child have history.

[size=14pt]I still wonder how a club of 100 years is Unhistory ![/size]

Recall the disbanded Leventis United of Ibadan
(a) How many years was the club in existence?
(b) Is it NOT the first club in Nigeria that was run like a proper club?
(c) Is it NOT the first division 3 club to win FA cup in Nigeria?
(d) Is it NOT the first division 2 club to play in the final of African cup in 1985?
Even though the team is now gone to heaven , Didnt they have History?

2) Back to JM, lets take the statement 1 by 1

(p) He said: "Liverpool fans can continue to chant 'no history' at us but we continue to make it. They have their history, we have our history.

Is this not a fact?


q) They(Liverpool) are a club with a history in Europe that Chelsea doesn't have, and their history is magnificent, but I think for 17 years they don't win one championship and we won two in the last three years.


Is this not an acknowledgment of Liverpool 's record in the Olden days

r) Of the 12 pieces of silverware in English football in the last three years, Chelsea won six, Liverpool two, Manchester United two and Arsenal two, so we won the same number of pieces of silverware that the other three clubs won all together. So I think we are going in the right direction."

Please tell me if na lie im dey talk.


Expecting your response JK

@JK

Even Baba Alex is a master in this. He said the following ahead of Chelsea's game against Spurs at the bridge.

"Given the power Chelsea seem to have over issues like this I am not surprised. I am just surprised Tottenham have allowed it to happen.

"If Tottenham lose and lose out on a European place because of it, I don't imagine they will be very happy. It is the supporters I feel sorry for. They have travelled to see them in Seville and their team is asked to play again so quickly."


Tell me, what concerns Abgero with overload?

We are to play Spurs not United and the first time we play before united. We won and they lose

Trust JM, he gave Baba back

"I was not surprised he(SAF) complained about this fixture because he is intelligent and maybe he thinks the other people are stupid."
He added: "Being intelligent is a great quality. Intelligent people are one step ahead of other people. But when you think other people are stupid it is not such a good quality.
"He is an intelligent man, a successful man with a great career. You cannot be a great manager if you are not intelligent. The time I spend with him I always enjoy so much because he is intelligent.
"I accept what he said as an intelligent quote from an intelligent person, forgetting other people are not stupid and only can laugh about it."


If you want Wenger one, i am ready to give you.

@akola
history in the terms of d report is not about how old d club is. It is about how well you've achieved over the years.
When you say AC milan are a team wit so much history in the CL, it means they've been there,done that and accomplished so much as far as the champions league is concerned.
In england, liverpool has one of the greatest histories (followin wat i just explained). So for JM to disregard liverpools years of achievements cos of 3 years of chelsea's success is blasphemous!

So he thinks winning a total of wat 3 other teams won in 3 years puts him and d club in d league of d others and earns him "history"?
History is not a gift. . . It is earned. You dont av to shout on d rooftops for acknowledgement. If you deserve it, you are given.

Leave Akola jare

Soon Wormy go join am with his "History doesn't matter" stuff

Like i told Wormy, lets see where each Club is in the next 4 to 5 years, and if by some unforseen happenings, Chelsea do not win the Prem again in that time frame, what will they have to look back at You've got it!! The past where they "dominated!?" under Maureen.

As they say, only a silly person will not look back at his past (why do Nations celebrate National days, even if their pasts are nothing to write home about, they still look back in nostalgia).

Chelsea need to dominate the English game like Liverpool have done, like the Scum have dominated the Prem over the 16 years of its existence, only then can Maureen or the supporters of Chelski claim to have reigned (even Gooners cannot claim to have dominated the English league like the Mancs or Scousers, cause our trophy hauls are spread out over the period, not as a result of dominace over an era).

Like i said, Maureen lives for the limelight (He would have a brilliant careeer as a TV presenter after he leaves football) He doesn't need a reason to make comments, he believes that is the best way to dominate your opponents, indulging them in a game of words. However he usually picks the wrong folks to do this with; Fergie, Arsene and his arch nemisis Benitez (thats why Benitez calm yoga pose in contrast to Maureens rantings during the Liverpool vs Chelsea Pen shootout was one of the Highlights of last season football shows, and something that will linger in the memory of all football loving folks).

Maureen is a good coach (and will get better with age) of that there is no doubt, but he lacks true sportsmanship (Wenger also shares that trait) and is a major rable rouser (that trophy he takes on his own) even when there is no just cause. But he does give lovely sound bites, which the media, especially the print press love.

GOONER 89

Spot on loyika,
i really dont blame maureen and his followers cos there is no "back" to look at so everyone else who does is an enemy!
Like you said. . Lets see all d teams in the next 5 years, then we do an overall assessment.

But one thing am yet to understand is why he deliberately say blasphemous statements. No regard for anything. He even said some cruel words to Graham Poll. When asked wat he said, Poll said "he said things to me that i have the misfortune to hear. They were so bad i cant bring myself to say them. . ."
and them some chelsea dudes would open their mouths and say "why does everybody hate chelsea"?

Spot on loyika,
i really dont blame maureen and his followers cos there is no "back" to look at so everyone else who does is an enemy!
Like you said. . Lets see all d teams in the next 5 years, then we do an overall assessment.

But one thing am yet to understand is why he deliberately say blasphemous statements. No regard for anything. He even said some cruel words to Graham Poll. When asked wat he said, Poll said "he said things to me that i have the misfortune to hear. They were so bad i cant bring myself to say them. . ."
and them some chelsea dudes would open their mouths and say "why does everybody hate chelsea"?

@Loyika & JK


I think i need to challenge your English teacher. How did you pass WAEC

Again, this is what JM says:

"They(Liverpool) are a club with a history in Europe [size=14pt]that Chelsea doesn't have[/size], and their history is magnificent, but I think for 17 years they don't win one championship and we won two in the last three years.

"Of the 12 pieces of silverware in English football in the last three years, Chelsea won six, Liverpool two, Manchester United two and Arsenal two, so we won the same number of pieces of silverware that the other three clubs won all together. So I think we are going in the right direction."


The 2 keywords are:

1) That Chelsea doesnt have[ That shows the 'pools supremacy over Chelsea]

2) So i think we are going in the right direction [ For God sake, is he lying?]

He now gave Chelsea's recent success.


Thanks for ignoring Leventis United example and SAF's comment. I am not suprised

@Justkunmi

I am not suprised you and Sir Alex Fergusson is No 1 supporter of Mr Graham Poll.

You may not like JM's comment on Poll

When even one month old baby criticise Poll, Baba said this:

Ferguson described Poll as the best referee in England.

"That's why he gets the big games, because he's the best at making the big decisions," said the United manager.

@ Akola

No one is disputing what Maureen says, but why is he picking Liverpool's dominance in Europe Do Chelsea have more League titles or otherwise than Liverpool, NO. Maureen only picks 3 years, meaning the 3 years he has been in charge .

So Akola when he eventually leaves and a new coach comes along, will he not look back at Maureen's success as something to live up to There in my dear friend lies our issue of "History!!"

Maureen picks and choses what he wants, to buttress his points like a lawyer picks and choses bits and pieces of evidence to suit his case. When ever you hear Arsene or Benitez or Fergie talk, they always refer to the past glories of the Club which they as present custodians have to live up to. Maureen has nothing of the sort, so he choses to make himself the "ISSUE" Always.

If he goes over to Madrid, these kind of stuff won't wash with the Madrid fans, cause they don't need a coach to remind them of their place in football (That has been cemented a long time ago) and so Maureen will just have to live up to what has been set before and maintain what the Madrid faithful already have (Even if they go a decade without silverware, doesn't ever change how people percieve Real Madrid, same can be said of AC Milan. These things are earned Kola, not through mouth).

Jose should concentrate on making Chelsea a Global footballing force, rather than reminding everyone he has won 6 trophies in 3 years (Like everyone didn't know that) If the Pool started counting how many trophies they have won, would we ever go home. Maureen is just being mischievious in his statements; AND YOU KNOW THIS!!

But like i said, he makes for good "soundbites' nothing more, cause no one (apart from a few, take whatever he says as being serious, cause everyone knows he makes his statements usually in bad faith and as a way to goad his percieved enemies, he should save his sarcasm for Roman A and spare us all the rablings )

As for Leventis You actually want me to comment on a Nigerian club Akola right now do we even have a "functioning" league, you are busy talking about Leventis You, Oboy the only Leventis i know about is a store or a place where folks take their Mercedes Benzes for servicing

As for Lady Fergie well i will leave that for JK (i can't be seen defending the scummies , how will that look like and don't you dare bring Wenger's name in this just to draw me in, like Jose does Like Gaffer like supporter shey!! )

GOONER 89

@Loyika and Justkunmi

maybe I dont agree with u guys afterall

maybe we will need to accept Mourinho's latest coinage of the word History

or what do u guys think?

@Akola

Leventis' success then spread over the short period of years they existed, very unlike a Chelsea that has a sparse trophy cabinet when juxtaposed with his years of existence

moreso, which trophy would you prefer to win? UECL or Premiership, ok let me make it easier which of the 2 would you like to participate in its finals? I GUESS THE UECL

then let me quickly remind u that Liverpool despite having not won the championship over 17 years, have been able to establish themselves as a power house in European footie, not just some local champion stuff that Chelsea/Mourinho is revelling in

@Loyika

Dont tell me you dont know Leventis United dominancein Nigeria soccer from 1983 to 1987. I will ask BolaOni,Kitaun,TwinsTaiye and SirKay to wipe you with Bilala.

## Has Liverpool ever won the Premiership?

NO

### Have they won the league in those days?

YES

Even with 29 players( Excluding players on loan) brought in by Benitez in the last 3 seasons, they have not.

Wetin you go do for me if i quote Wenger's mind games against chelsea?

I like JM's mind games, i enjoy it as it takes pressure of my players.

I dont want gentle Ranieri as my Coach, I want Jose King Mourinho forever.

@Kitaun

Even though UCL winner is the "best" club in Europe but i agree with Mr wenger that Premiership is the Ultimate.

I prefer Chelsea to win Premiership for 5 seasons in preference to UCL.

With Abracadabra, a mediocre team can win UCL but Premiersip is not won by luck, 38 weeks is no joke.

Bolaoni is so busy in court with PHCN to bother about flogging anyone
Kitaun has a new "ADMIRER!!" who is stalking him on NL , so flogging me no dey him mind.
Sir kay is a "LOVER NOT A FIGHTER!!" Like Micheal Jackson, so no chance there.
Twinstaiye Anyway when he decides to come back from his self imposed exile like NADECO, Then i will get worried

Well they have won the UECL and gotten to another Final (beating you in the process each time ), Where have you guys gotten. So Jose choses to concede Europe to them, could it be because he knows he hasn't delivered in that aspect He should concentrate on winning the CL with Chelsea (Roman A does not give a damn if he has won it with Porto, cause Porto is not CHELSEA!!) and let everyone rest

GOONER 89

@Loyiks

Maybe that just my opinion on UCL.

One need heaven to come down to win it.

#Arsenal should have won UCL in 2003/2004 when they are the best in Europe but what happens? Thanks to Wayn Bridge's wonder in Highbury

##According to SAF, Depleted Arsenal team over-achieved by getting to the final against Barca. In a year Only 10 mins deny them. Its an open secret that they are not that good that year.

I am in support of Premiership jare.

5 seasons without UECL? Roman go just sell una to Mike Adenuga, which I foresee! Lmao @Loyika d Accrington Stanley FC man!

@ Kitaun

If we could win 5 premiership titles in 5 consecutive seasons with no UCL and Roman messes up, i will personally deal with him

Maybe history is knocking the door now http://www.thesun.co.uk/article/0,,2002390000-2007280697,00.html

@akola

so i guess chelsea's piece of history has started abi ,. .
but i liked a part of the report that said,
Liverpool, Arsenal and Manchester United are also in the Champions League elite.

meaning they've been part of the elite for a while now. a FEAT chelsea just achieved because of their performance since Mourinho took over.
so watever happened to the pre-mourinho era?

We are not there yet but we are getting there, as evident by our developments in the last three years. I think thats what Akola has been trying to spread across.

We are not as big as Manu, liverpool or arsenal if you go back in time to look at history, but you know i know you know we are getting there.

Akola, which 6 trophies are you talking about? Are you counting community shield as a cup. if we are counting that, then we should count the worthington cups, community shields and Pre-season cups, Wenger and Baba Alex have won!  

When Chelsea were second seeded, they had glorious years under Maureen, but now Your first seeding may be your greatest undoing because Y'all would relax. Sincerely, sometimes i feel the god of football's resting home is at stamford bridge. Jose is a very lucky coach, very lucky, even though he's been brillant i must confess he has this aura of luck surrounding him.

I would always say Jose owes his career to Baba Alex's and United's misfortune against Porto. If that blind Ref had counted Scholesy's goal ruled offisde against porto, Jose would still be sitting on his Blue chair in Porto!. Since then, Jose's ramblings and rantings have been top-notch. (Y'all can call it mind games) .  That defeat at Porto is even more painful than the FA cup final loss to Arsenal in 2005, because that porto match made Mourinho and yet he is as arrogant as ever.

Akola, you know Jose has been fortunate in everything including managing a multi million pound squad, so winning 5 trophies (not 6) in 3 years is not an over achievment but an expectation!

Take it easy rikky, its ok. JM has a good history that did not start with UCL - though that really helped him to get the Chelsea JOb. I wonder however, how you can accuse him of his rantings and ramblings when Sir Alex is concerned. Please! We all know the Sir.

@rikkyjen
i cant agree with you more.
the community shield has become a silverware of repute for maureen. u know wat, he just wanted to count wat he has won for chelsea and discovered that he could count all his trophies with the fingers of just one hand, so he had no choice but to add the community shield!!

justkunmi:

so watever happened to the pre-mourinho era?

Continue to worry yourself about Pre-JM era, we are moving on by God's grace.

rikkyjen:

1) Akola, which 6 trophies are you talking about? Are you counting community shield as a cup. if we are counting that, then we should count the worthington cups, community shields and Pre-season cups, Wenger and Baba Alex have won!

2) When Chelsea were second seeded, they had glorious years under Maureen, but now Your first seeding may be your greatest undoing because Y'all would relax. Sincerely, sometimes i feel the god of football's resting home is at stamford bridge. Jose is a very lucky coach, very lucky, even though he's been brillant i must confess he has this aura of luck surrounding him.

3) I would always say Jose owes his career to Baba Alex's and United's misfortune against Porto. If that blind Ref had counted Scholesy's goal ruled offisde against porto, Jose would still be sitting on his Blue chair in Porto!. Since then, Jose's ramblings and rantings have been top-notch. (Y'all can call it mind games) . That defeat at Porto is even more painful than the FA cup final loss to Arsenal in 2005, because that porto match made Mourinho and yet he is as arrogant as ever.

4) Akola, you know Jose has been fortunate in everything including managing a multi million pound squad, so winning 5 trophies (not 6) in 3 years is not an over achievment but an expectation!

THE MORE THEY COME, THE MORE THEY FELL

1) To me community shield is no cup and i have mentioned it here on this forum. If community shield is not a cup European super cupisnot either . JM is just established the fact that Chelsea is the main issue in English football in the past 3 seasons WHICH IS A FACT.

2) Did you mention luck? a workaholic man is reaping the fruit of his labour. We have never disgrace English football in UCL since JM era. Can somebody remind me what happen to United at San Siro?

3) Story ! Story!! Story!!!. United can never won that cup that year, its Arsenal's and i am so happy we beat them silly. You need to see me that day in North london . Arrogancy or Confident man?

4) You better dont let us go back to 1986. With millions thrown to Baba, How many years does it take him to win?

@Akola

do we tell Mourinho that he has made a mistake counting community shield as a cup?

and are u saying Euro super cup is no cup considering the caliber of who gets to play the match?

what are u saying happened at San siro? best believe that even Chelsea could not have bettered Man U's performance that nite not cos they arent good but because AC Milan were at their quintessential best of the season

back to Porto winning in that year; it was just God saying; dead hens could still eat maize

@Akola
u've listened to maureen so much that u now sound like him. .
wat happened in 1986??

kitaun:

@Akola

1) do we tell Mourinho that he has made a mistake counting community shield as a cup?

2) and are u saying Euro super cup is no cup considering the caliber of who gets to play the match?

3) what are u saying happened at San siro? best believe that even Chelsea could not have bettered Manchester United's performance that night not because they arent good but because AC Milan were at their quintessential best of the season

1) yes, we need to tell him. It is best for him to say " Under JM, Chelsea had won everything in England within three seasons"

2) Which player? Seville Vs Barca [ Kanoute vs Puyol], just compare that to Drogba Vs Ferdinand or Rooney vs JT

3) Chelsea can never, i repeat Never lose like that. And everyone knows that. The match was like Nairaland 11 Vs Eyimba

justkunmi:

@Akola
1) u've listened to maureen so much that u now sound like him. .


2) what happened in 1986??

1) Abi o! but i call his bluff when he messes up. His best post match analysis is when we lost by 3-0 to Borough. What a comment!. Unlike what people reported here about his after-match .My man is good.

2) SAF took over in1986 and started winning laurels in ****. How about that?

Akolawole:

Continue to worry yourself about Pre-JM era, we are moving on by God's grace.

THE MORE THEY COME, THE MORE THEY FELL

1) To me community shield is no cup and i have mentioned it here on this forum. If community shield is not a cup European super cupisnot either . JM is just established the fact that Chelsea is the main issue in English football in the past 3 seasons WHICH IS A FACT.

2) Did you mention luck? a workaholic man is reaping the fruit of his labour. We have never disgrace English football in UCL since JM era. Can somebody remind me what happen to United at San Siro?

3) Story ! Story!! Story!!!. United can never won that cup that year, its Arsenal's and i am so happy we beat them silly. You need to see me that day in North london . Arrogancy or Confident man?

4) You better don't let us go back to 1986. With millions thrown to Baba, How many years does it take him to win?

Akola, as far as we are concerned, you havn't tackled the main issue, you mean the Porto CL Luck was a fruit of Jose's labor? What labor? Abeg dont tell me Jose's job as an interpreter in Barca was a labor? or what labor did he do to merit that luck he had against United in the CL. I would always insist that the Porto match against United made Jose Mourinho. Am very sure, Jose would be thanking Baba Alex secretly when they meet over a glass of wine (heard, they are pals)

What happened to united at Sansiro? So you mean you dont know United and chelsea played the highest games in euro in this just concluded season? Are you saying you didn't know united embarrsaed itself due to fatigue. Secondly, as Kitaun stated, Milan played their best home game in the past 3 seasons (Listen to the commentary again).

Make we no too digress, Jose the lip is just too loquacious, ofcos he raised the bar in the EPL, yet his moral attitude needs to be questioned. Jose's lip is destroying the beautiful game and also intimidating refs! Frisk is out of the game due to Jose's infantile rantings!

rikkyjen:

Akola, as far as we are concerned, you havn't tackled the main issue, you mean the Porto CL Luck was a fruit of Jose's labor? What labor? Abeg don't tell me Jose's job as an interpreter in Barca was a labor? or what labor did he do to merit that luck he had against United in the CL. I would always insist that the Porto match against United made Jose Mourinho. Am very sure, Jose would be thanking Baba Alex secretly when they meet over a glass of wine (heard, they are pals)

What happened to united at Sansiro? So you mean you don't know United and chelsea played the highest games in euro in this just concluded season? Are you saying you didn't know united embarrsaed itself due to fatigue. Secondly, as Kitaun stated, Milan played their best home game in the past 3 seasons (Listen to the commentary again).

Make we no too digress, Jose the lip is just too loquacious, ofcos he raised the bar in the EPL, yet his moral attitude needs to be questioned. Jose's lip is destroying the beautiful game and also intimidating refs! Frisk is out of the game due to Jose's infantile rantings!

I am enjoying this

Leave Jose's Lips for us, we like it.

The guy is intelligent and brainny

Luck, you better dont talk about luck here because i will list loads of your luck.

Millan can never, i repeat never beat Chelsea like that.

It was a shame, please admit that.

@United guys

Look at how all of you ignore Graham Poll's thread and comment in here.

@Rikkyjen
U still dey that address?
I go send you something soon including treble DVD.

maybe mourinho is a master at mind games .maybe he just likes the sound of his voice.but one thing that is certain is that is stay in chelsea has been a gud one. u knw , the english are very conservative .so a loudmouthed(dnt take offence) mourinho is definely a reporters delight.its just a pity that some clubsides fall prey to his mind games.overtime though,the effect iS bound to wear out. after all its not as if Ronaldinho has lost his deft touch but the defenders has MASTERED his tactic .i really wont be surprised if mouriho doesnt do so well next season.but then again,who knows,the master mite just have more tricks up hiS sleeves.
JEJE-

@Akola

if Chelsea can lose 0-3 to Yakubu's Boro, why cant AC Milan devour them 6-0 on a good day?

are u saying that Mourinho's infantile rants wets ur whistle? am saying this considering the unwarranted controversies he has courted over the little period in which he has turned himself the most important figure in world footie ;

*the Frisk issue,
*the Wenger xmas card brouhaha,
*his jibes on a very calm Benitez,
*what of his love-hate relationship with Sir Alex?
*the Ronaldo yabis

THIS MAN NEEDS TO KEEP HIS MOUTH SHUT, IF ONLY FOR ONCE

BTW, isnt a shield what it is? whether it is AC Milan vc Juventus, IT REMAINS WHAT IT IS, A SHIELD

COMMUNITY SHIELDS ARENT TROPHIES, THEY ARE TRAYS

COMMUNITY SHIELDS ARENT TROPHIES, THEY ARE TRAYS

@ Kitaun, . Trays? LMAO

True talk, someone pls tell Jose that community shields, inter-toto cups, preseason medals are just mere perks that serve as a boost to teams and should not be counted as laurels.

BTW, the lippy one contradicted himself, he said He has 6 trophies (he counted his community tray too) apologies to Kitaun . How come Jose now forgot to count Liverpool's community shield benitez won just at the beginning of last season .

That guy just want to arrogate all the glory and power to himself.

History-less club with a History-less manager!