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| Re: The Descendant Of Apes by folaski: 12:40pm On Nov 11, 2011 |
[/codeKay 17 |
| Re: The Descendant Of Apes by chrisj2000(m): 2:24am On Nov 12, 2011 |
some answeres may never be found |
| Re: The Descendant Of Apes by folaski: 7:09pm On Nov 12, 2011 |
@chrislj2000: 1.we do not need GOD to tidy our environment to prevent malaria. ask the Americans or europeans in general how they did it. 2. human mind is too shalow as evidensed in you thinking about God. let me ask you this question; how did the smallest unit of life came to being? what was existing in space before the emergence of life ? Look chris, before the emergence of life was GOD. He is the uncreated creator,the all powerful. Look around you and see the order in creation,do you think all you are seeing came to being by chance? it is like saying that a computer emerged by chance and evolved of its own accord to what we now have today.YOU did not come into the world by chance ,you are here on purpose. There is a reason for your creation, you are not a product of chance. |
| Re: The Descendant Of Apes by chrisj2000(m): 8:53pm On Nov 12, 2011 |
i don't think so |
| Re: The Descendant Of Apes by folaski: 6:43am On Nov 13, 2011 |
ΛΛΛ my friend, God is not a product or commodity to be used. Go and study history as recorded in the bible you will know the kind of personality that we are talking about here. He is the self only existing creator. whe you say that God is omnipotent, it means He is all powerful and the extent of His power is far beyond man`s wildest immagination. stop thinking of God as if He is a human beign or commodity. |
| Re: The Descendant Of Apes by wirinet(m): 8:49am On Nov 13, 2011 |
Why not use the same argument used for God on the universe also? The universe could be an uncreated entity. The universe could be eternal. If God is an uncaused cause, why does the universe need to have a cause? Given our greatly increased knowledge of the expanse and workings of the universe, does it still make sense to view a creator who is a very old Caucasian white male with white beard siting his ass on a golden throne surrounded by his servants, guards and son, dispensing justice on only humans. |
| Re: The Descendant Of Apes by gotizsata: 2:45pm On Nov 13, 2011 |
Christians = The Descendants Of Mud and Magic |
| Re: The Descendant Of Apes by folaski: 3:41pm On Nov 13, 2011 |
@wirinet: it is arrogance not knowlege that is cofusing atheists. They do not want to be subject to anybody. That said. To imagin God as one old white beardèd caucasian is apostacy. No finite mind like ours can comprehend the totality of an infinite God. The moment you can picture "Him" in you mind then you are no longer refering to the All Mighty. You are probably thinking of the Greek god called zeos. When you cannot picture the entire universe in your mind how then can you be able to visualise in your mind its creator. Your body cells know their creator it is only you mind that is playing games with you & that game has eternal cosequences. |
| Re: The Descendant Of Apes by wirinet(m): 5:28pm On Nov 13, 2011 |
@folaski, arrogance? The most arrogant people on earth is the Americanized variety of Christianity(pentecostals). About the image of god, the white bearded Caucasian man is the image most Christians have of god. Furthermore, all major characters in Christianity are white Caucasian men, including prophets, angels, apostles, messiahs, etc. How does cells acknowledged your god? Which cells? How come my neurons are not aware? Since you know the expanse of the universe, does it make sense that your universe wide god would have so much headache just because an insignificant person in an insignificant planet in an insignificant solar system in an insignificant galaxy refuses to massage his or its ego. |
| Re: The Descendant Of Apes by Nobody: 5:48pm On Nov 13, 2011 |
wirinet: One galaxy out of billions and yet folaski thinks his primitive idea of a creator is responsible. Now, that's arrogance. http://science.discovery.com/videos/space-school-milky-way.html Then he created Earth just for Folaski and other christians because he loves them so much. He loves them like Sandusky loves little boys. http://science.discovery.com/videos/space-school-earth.html He created the universe for Folaski and co and yet they can't leave the earth nor are they likely to survive outside earth. Then he created the Earth as a special home for them, yet they can't live on 88% of it. How ingenious!! |
| Re: The Descendant Of Apes by folaski: 7:14am On Nov 14, 2011 |
@martian: of the total earth surface how much of it have we been able to develop? Insignificant as you think our earth and selves might be, it thrills me how much of the Love He shows those who believes in Him. It baffels me how people could just look around at the well balanced ecosystem an the conclude that it came to be by chance just like an aeroplane came to being by chance abi? |
| Re: The Descendant Of Apes by Kay17: 7:30am On Nov 14, 2011 |
For accidents to occur, they ALWAYS obey natural laws. For a building to collapse, it once failed to obey natural laws till its 'rearranged' chance is not improbability. Out of billions of galaxies and zillions of planets, one pops out to host temporarily life. |
| Re: The Descendant Of Apes by folaski: 12:55pm On Nov 14, 2011 |
^^^^^ you don't seems to get the point ! you are saying that the entire universe just popped up from nothing and gradually developed into the level at which we have it today. and i am saying that you can as well say that an aeroplane popped up from nowhere too. i am sure you will say no because you know the history of its invention, not so? may i also add that you chose to believe that story not because you were there when it happened but just because it appeals to you intellectual taste or simply because it is a recorded history. can you pls respond to that before in go on? |
| Re: The Descendant Of Apes by Kay17: 1:37pm On Nov 14, 2011 |
First if there was nothing then there would nothing now since only nothing can come out of nothing. Thus since there is something now there was no nothing then. By your argument, if nothing existed prior to everything except God, then God creates out of nothing which is logical impossible. However the something that existed before is an initial point of the universe and everything |
| Re: The Descendant Of Apes by folaski: 4:11pm On Nov 14, 2011 |
^^pls read your post again Kay17 i do not really get your point. However, in the beginning God created the entire universe. He i.e. God is a spirit and so by His divine,unparallel power He created all thìngs from the humanly ivisible. |
| Re: The Descendant Of Apes by TrueSeeker(m): 5:59pm On Nov 14, 2011 |
It is more logical and reasonable to believe in creator than in evolution. I always ask a friend of mine who belief in evolution these questions and his answers are not satisfactory to be candid it take more faith to belief in them than to believe in creation. Is it only one ape evolve to man or male and female? Why is it that modern man has not witness another evolution, either a dog evolving to donkey or a donkey to horse? has the process of evolution stop? What is purpose of evolution, and what is purpose of life? chrisj2000:Bible say in clear terms why we get sick and die, it equally tells us the remedy for sickness and death. 2. if everything came invest existence through creation, please tell us who created the creator because he couldn't have Created himself.Creator don't necessarily need to be created. The fact that we can not proof that creator was created is not the evidence of his nonexistence. We have proof that all living things started as a single unit and diversify through evolution over billions of years. Have your studied anatomy of several different animals, you'll see striking similarities in their anatomical make up. Our DNA has 98% similarity with that of apes.Striking similarities to me is another evidence of One Creator when you read Twelve Knight or MacBeth the similarities point to one author - William Shakespeare. When you see similarities in Toyota Corrola and Camry it tells you about one Manufacturer. And if you studies paintings you will see that each artists has a unique stroke that differentiate their works. The similarities only tell you that the product is from same manufacturer or producer, or artist not that the Camry evolve to corrola or paintings A evolve to painting B. The similarities between your posts only tell me that you are the author of those posts not that the post evolve from the previous. |
| Re: The Descendant Of Apes by folaski: 6:50pm On Nov 14, 2011 |
@trueseeker: your reasoning is sound and i really agree with you . |
| Re: The Descendant Of Apes by Kay17: 8:41pm On Nov 14, 2011 |
How wouldnt he be sound and reasonable when he agrees with you?! Its logically impossible for something to be created out of nothing. Whoever does that can be said to be logically impossible. |
| Re: The Descendant Of Apes by folaski: 9:32pm On Nov 14, 2011 |
^^the problem with you is that you are trying to use common sense to figure out spiritual matters;it wont work! |
| Re: The Descendant Of Apes by Kay17: 9:47pm On Nov 14, 2011 |
The idea of God is not of commonsense or reason. Simple! |
| Re: The Descendant Of Apes by folaski: 10:19pm On Nov 14, 2011 |
^^to convince yourself of God's existence why dont you ask Him sincerely to reveal Himself to you |
| Re: The Descendant Of Apes by wirinet(m): 10:38pm On Nov 14, 2011 |
Folaski, you agreement with the skewed view of trueseeker show you do not have the foggiest idea what biological evolution is, and I doubt your educational background(non science based) and your ego(unable to accept you are an animal like any other) would not allow you to understand the very meaning of evolution. Sorry that you ego is being bruised but |
| Re: The Descendant Of Apes by Kay17: 10:44pm On Nov 14, 2011 |
I simply stand by reason always |
| Re: The Descendant Of Apes by wirinet(m): 11:16pm On Nov 14, 2011 |
Sorry to bruise your ego further, but I must inform you that we are not descendants of apes, we are indeed apes. We are categorized as one of the great apes. Your beliefs or your god or gods does not make you more special than any other animal not to talk of any other human being. Its is really a misnomer when people talk of design, A design has conception stage, then the actual design and then production stage after experimenting with various prototypes. The Christian god just conjured up the universe, the planets, earth, millions of species of plants and animals, million more of bacteria and viruses, etc, from his mind. That is magic and has nothing to do with design. |
| Re: The Descendant Of Apes by folaski: 12:49pm On Nov 15, 2011 |
^^^ so you know magic exist and yet you are denying the existence of the spiritual! |
| Re: The Descendant Of Apes by TrueSeeker(m): 1:23pm On Nov 15, 2011 |
Kay 17:But something can evolve from nothing. huh? wirinet:Who is we? Who categorized? Your beliefs or your god or gods does not make you more special than any other animal not to talk of any other human being.That is indeed truth of wirinet:What is your own educational background, PhD? It does not take great education to have common sense. That is typical frivolous argument of Darwinist. |
| Re: The Descendant Of Apes by wirinet(m): 3:12pm On Nov 15, 2011 |
Trueseeker, If it is illogical to believe that nothing can come out of nothing, how come it is logical for your god to spring forth from nothing? It is the same people that you adopted their language that categorized humans as apes. If you quarrel with the definition revert to your native tongue. Here is a definition of great apes from http://www.worldwildlife.org/species/finder/greatapes/greatapes.html great apes belong to the taxonomic family Homindae, which includes chimpanzees, bonobos, orangutans, gorillas and humans. This group includes our closest wild relatives. In fact, all members of this family share possibly more than 97% of their DNA. The great apes have all been documented using tools, and communicating with amazing complexity. The great apes are found primarily in Central Africa with the exception of orangutans, which are native to the islands of Borneo and Sumatra in Asia. All of the great apes face serious threats and are all endangered, some critically endangered. Habitat loss, climate change, infectious disease and illegal hunting for both meat and the live pet trade have combined to push these species I never questioned your educational qualifications or competence, what I am implying is that it is definitely not in the sciences, as a result, I do not expect these issues to make sense to you. |
| Re: The Descendant Of Apes by Kay17: 3:20pm On Nov 15, 2011 |
Who said something evolved out of nothing? Pls quote that source |
| Re: The Descendant Of Apes by TrueSeeker(m): 12:10pm On Nov 16, 2011 |
Kay 17:Then you need to tell the whole world the source of raw materials that inanimate object and living things start evolving from. |
| Re: The Descendant Of Apes by TrueSeeker(m): 12:23pm On Nov 16, 2011 |
wirinet:Why are you generalizing issues as if they are fact? Are you telling me that all Britons or all Americans belief in your darwinism? Even if they do, can't you use your sixth sense to refute them? |
| Re: The Descendant Of Apes by folaski: 8:21pm On Nov 16, 2011 |
Wirinet,kay17, and other atheists in the house,pls note that there is another dimension that is beyond the physical. There is a spiritual dimenson and the forces of which controles the physical. You are a part of bothe the physical & the spiritual dimensions. This is so because you have a spirit that lives in a body. Therefore there is more to life than you imagined and the ealier you come to terms with that the better for you. |
| Re: The Descendant Of Apes by gotizsata: 12:06am On Nov 17, 2011 |
No not apes I.ncest We are descendants of incest, God loves that. He killed everyone just that noah can start i.ncest afresh. God loves i.ncest, ask Job. |
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