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Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 8:02am On May 29, 2013 |
StarBoard: You are an obese chimpanzee, I have great work out there before page 227. When I was writing about De Gea's inability to easily deal with aerial balls was it from your head I wrote? Secondly, I didn't know there was a competition here to determine who has the highest posts and test intelligence. So is that what you do here? |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 8:16am On May 29, 2013 |
elampiro: Starboard is the above your work too? From a much earlier page 208. There are countless more. So in your head you see these things as competition and post counting.
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Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by debosky(m): 8:32am On May 29, 2013 |
StarBoard: Sir, I have not discarded the earlier wins, I have simply said they hold less weight in my opinion. You may disagree with this, but that is your prerogative. My assertion is based on the level of competition available, not the format of the competition. In the early years, it's hard to dispute that the level of competition was much lower than it was from the 80's onward. It's just like saying though numerically Liverpool is close to United in terms of league titles won, in the modern era (when it's been far more difficult to win titles) Liverpool is nowhere to be found with regard to league triumphs. |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 8:32am On May 29, 2013 |
elampiro: My Opinion of players so far this season. @starboard, is the above your work, from page 188? Mr Argument. In your head everything in life is competition including number of posts in a forum. Na wa!!! On this thread, I am just doing my own and giving objective assessment of topics, whether anyone else is intelligent or whatever is never my business. I am not competing with anyone here. I don't know where this talk of intelligence and number of post is coming from. This is shocking!!! It is unhealthy!!! |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by debosky(m): 8:43am On May 29, 2013 |
A-40: Maybe you need to re-learn how to read - I said I hold those won earlier in lesser regard, not that they don't count. Besides, Real Madrid have won it three times in the modern era - thrice in 5 seasons - so their CL cred isn't solely dependent on ancient history. As for 1966, no one takes England seriously in international football for precisely that reason - their only win was donkey years ago when they arguably rigged the outcome at home. In contrast, Italy's wins in the modern era is what confirms their credibility, not simply that they won it ages ago.
Hardly - there's little/no justification for a cut off at 2005. However, it is clear to anyone that the earlier years of the CL were far less competitive than they are now. |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by MrTA(m): 9:02am On May 29, 2013 |
I don't think there should be any cut offs as to when to count titles. All titles are relative to their era so don't see why you shouldn't count some and count others. |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 9:12am On May 29, 2013 |
Report has it that Man United has made an official approach for Fabregas. Anderson might go. Monaco and Arsenal are reported to want Nani. I can't ever want Nani go. Won't want to see him play anywhere else. |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by coogar: 9:21am On May 29, 2013 |
StarBoard: what time frame are we talking about? liverpool won the champions league in 2005 and are runners up in 2007. the achievement is better than what real madrid, lyon, schalke, arsenal, etc have managed in the last 20 years. appearance counts for nothing - what you do when you appear is the crux.
they are very good - they still have their history, pride and glory. liverpool isn't good enough is like saying madrid are not good enough. madrid last won it in 2002(11 years ago).
who cares if they haven't featured in it? they won it in 2005(under the new format), long before chelsea and inter did. they are good enough. i would still trust liverpool to represent england better than city.
i am not sure you are following this argument - i brought celtic into it cos dayo was counting the number of league titles they have won to prove superiority....then i said celtic have won their league 44 times. does that make them better than bayern overall?
debosky & coogar have already wiped off those titles - you are the only one still stuck in the past. we have already told you it's even steven between bayern and man utd as they have both won it twice since the modern era.
it wasn't harder - no subs applied across the board. it doesn't put one team above the other. it's still a level playing field. 11-man bayern should still beat 11-man champions of san marino, subs or no subs!!!
you have to win your league/FA cup to play the charity shield. that bayern lost more in these competitions in germany should not rubbish united's achievement! they have had their own versions of league cup, transformed to fuji cup and whatever name they are calling it now...bayern were horribly shyte in these games. dayo knew he couldn't compete so he left out the competitions where bayern were horribly weak....they have DFB pokal, DFL-supercup and DFBLiga-pokal too. let him add it to their overall title haul, our league cup existed before bundesliga was formed, i cannot rubbish the competition.
but united have been a top seed for eons now, where are bayern? as far as i am concerned, united and bayern are on the same pedestal in europe in the modern era. the score is 2-2. united won their 2nd CL in the modern era 5 years before bayern did. if you look hard enough, bayern are playing catch-up, not united!!! |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by debosky(m): 9:46am On May 29, 2013 |
Mr_TA: I don't think there should be any cut offs as to when to count titles. All titles are relative to their era so don't see why you shouldn't count some and count others. I never implied not counting all of them - what I was alluding to was the current subject of debate - which is the better club? Do we judge that with an undue weighting on ancient achievements or do we place more emphasis on achievements within a reasonably competitive era? DK is being inconsistent in this regard - he doesn't want to accept that, based on his 'all trophies' theory, Liverpool is a better club. But he wants to count the total European trophy haul to claim Bayern is better than United. |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by coogar: 9:55am On May 29, 2013 |
debosky: don't mind the tool...... "bayern have 7 european titles, they would have won 40 english titles if they were an english side" only a goat would come up with that rubbish. the liverpool example sent him back to the pits he crawled out from. |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by MrTA(m): 12:36pm On May 29, 2013 |
elampiro: Report has it that Man United has made an official approach for Fabregas. Anderson might go. I'm 100% sure this is complete BS about Fabregas. |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by coogar: 12:53pm On May 29, 2013 |
Mr_TA: moyes should hurry up and sign all his players in the next 2 weeks so we can take the newbies to preseason. why is he slow? he's replacing backroom when he should be in the market targeting midfielders...... |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by MrTA(m): 2:07pm On May 29, 2013 |
Come on, he hasn't even officially joined the club yet. He's making the right moves first as he has to sort out the coaching staff first. Them the current squad, who's leaving or staying then he can access new signings. It's always very difficult to sort out all transfers early. Infact it almost never happens unless you're signing just one player. And even that is tricky if its a big player. |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by MrTA(m): 2:08pm On May 29, 2013 |
On a different note, it turns out Bayern are now the most valuable brand in world football. |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by montelik(m): 2:24pm On May 29, 2013 |
coogar: unlikely. he will likely have to overlook the reports on players we were targetting prior to his signing, get second opinions from his own trrusted people and more information from sources he trusts. only players we can move on now will be everton players he wants to bring in and players he would have been interested in signing at everton, who still fit into his plans considering the present united squad. |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by MrTA(m): 2:29pm On May 29, 2013 |
As long as he knows he should be shopping at Harrods now. No more bargain shopping at tesco. |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by dayokanu(m): 2:31pm On May 29, 2013 |
Mr_TA: On a different note, it turns out Bayern are now the most valuable brand in world football. I wonder what elampiro has to say to that http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2332596/Bayern-Munich-overtake-Manchester-United-world-footballs-valuable-brand.html |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by dayokanu(m): 2:35pm On May 29, 2013 |
debosky: Based on your competitive era argument which is the better national team italy or Brazil You mean the titles won by Pele Cryuff George best beckenbauer are now irrelevant so how many years would it take for the titles won by Ronaldo and Zidane to be discarded |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by A40(m): 3:12pm On May 29, 2013 |
Mr_TA: On a different note, it turns out Bayern are now the most valuable brand in world football.Hehehehehe Arabanko |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by A40(m): 3:14pm On May 29, 2013 |
debosky:Lesser regard by who? The fans? Players? Or Debosky? debosky:Neither is Bayern's but would you say because of that Madrid is 3 to 2 against Utd in UCL wins! debosky:But inspite of that its still in the records that they have won it 4 times! Arguing whether or not it was won in the modern era is hair splitting really cos the argument is not borne out of objectivity debosky:Nonsense! Did you think of that when you made your cut from the 80's? Say I was born in 2000 and started following football 07 or 08! Where would I cut from? Competitiveness is always subjective! To you its more competitive to the next man the competition has been watered down cos you don't have to be a Champion to get in anymore StarBoard:Its funny really! How can you do away with a certain era just because it doesn't suit your sensibilities What I find absolutely hilarious is that this example can also be used against him! For instance his beloved Arsenal won 7 of their 13 league titles before 1960 can we say those titles are less regarded? When we say Bayern is superior to Utd its not something Utd should take personal! The records are evident to all and sundry! Bayern also have their superiors (Milan,Madrid) everything get hierarchy so the aim should be to match them eventually rather than denying gospel truths |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by coogar: 3:24pm On May 29, 2013 |
Mr_TA: On a different note, it turns out Bayern are now the most valuable brand in world football. this research is garbage - what criteria did this dodgy organisation use? man utd brand as at january was $3 billion. united at $800m? these tools must be crazy!!! turns out united are twice the value of bayern and then more......bayern? old trafford alone cost more than bayern munich. 1 Like
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Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by nitlad: 3:39pm On May 29, 2013 |
Forbes we know, Deloitte we know as well, dafuq is BrandFinance? To the garbage with their fraudulent methodology! 1 Like |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by coogar: 3:42pm On May 29, 2013 |
nitlad: Forbes we know, Deloitte we know as well, dafuq is BrandFinance? they even had stoke fc as the 41st most valuable team. stoke above benfica? lolololol, this is laughable. the tool that made the research in his explanation said that bayern thrashing barcelona 7-0 made their brand valuable - what a joke!!!!! brandfinance ko, brandeconomics ni - fraudulent fools! 1 Like |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 3:44pm On May 29, 2013 |
dayokanu: Since when 860milliom become more valuable than 3.17billion. Manchester United current worth is $3.17billion, United and Madrid are not in the million category. You have to look at the parameters being considered, and exactly what they are saying. BrandFinance rated without considering a number of factors, top of them is the part of the ownership the Glaziers put to the public, i.e the value of the club in the hands of investors. The value of part of Manchester United in the NYSE alone is in the billions. In summary, Forbes look at real money worth, while BrandFinance use metrics such as number of titles won in Europe etc, Royalties and all that which are not money at all. While Forbes rating cannot be overly overstated or understated, Brandfinnace rating can be swung to which ever way the rate committee wants to go. The real values that have credibility there in BrandFinance are the players value and revenue from Eufa based on UCL achievement this term. How can you use UCLs won many years ago in which the income has been used to buy players or invested ever since as part of your money worth? |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 3:45pm On May 29, 2013 |
coogar: Exactly. |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 3:47pm On May 29, 2013 |
nitlad: Forbes we know, Deloitte we know as well, dafuq is BrandFinance? Exactly. May be they want to see how they can be allowed into the NYSE. |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by debosky(m): 3:50pm On May 29, 2013 |
A-40: If you can read and comprehend, you'll understand who 'I' refers to.
In the modern era, yes I would say so.
Of course it is - what is not objective about acknowledging that club football was less competitive in the 70's than it was in the 90's?
I didn't make a cut based on my age. My 'cut' was based on my evaluation of the competitiveness of the competition. This is borne out by the fact that since the 80's you haven't had instances of a single club winning 3 CL titles in a row.
I prefaced my post with my personal opinion. Or don't you understand what personal opinion means? If you don't like it, say so and move on. I'm not forcing you or anyone else to accept my view.
You are free to say so - I consider them less regarded compared to winning the title at Anfield in 89, or winning the title against an all conquering Man Utd at OT, or winning the league unbeaten. |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 3:57pm On May 29, 2013 |
Manchester United current market capitalization in NYSE is 2.86billion. It got to 2.9billion after the EPL title win, and today again it is gaining heavily. |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Nobody: 4:19pm On May 29, 2013 |
elampiro:Copy and paste. Why not bring out a page supporting your view from goal.com,dailymail.co.uk/sport or telegraph.com? Try harder man. Weak a$$ lines you got there, plagiarism genius. |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Nobody: 4:23pm On May 29, 2013 |
elampiro:Genius at work. Peeps on this thread already dissected this incident YEARS ago. You're not telling us anything new, both when you try to be original and when you lift off goal.com So you're still very shallow and imbecilic. |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Nobody: 4:24pm On May 29, 2013 |
elampiro: Report has it that Man United has made an official approach for Fabregas. Anderson might go.And this Ninny wants us to believe he is smart when he can't even get his tenses and phrases in order. The only time you make sense is when you lift off people's work. |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by dayokanu(m): 4:26pm On May 29, 2013 |
coogar: dayo knew he couldn't compete so he left out the competitions where bayern were horribly weak....they have DFB pokal, DFL-supercup and DFBLiga-pokal too. let him add it to their overall title haul, our league cup existed before bundesliga was formed, i cannot rubbish the competition. The defunct Fuji Cup was played for 10yrs Bayern are the record winner winning it 5 times The DFL Supercup Bayern are the record winner winning that another 5 times The DFB Ligapokal was played for 10yrs Bayern are the record winner winning it 6 times By the time we add 15 DFB Pokal, 23 league titles, 5 Fuji Cup, 5 DFL Super cup, 6 DFB Ligapokal, 5 Champions league 1 Cup Winners, 1 UEFA Cup, 2 Intercontinental cups That makes 63 titles Now show us what Man Utd has since we are now adding irrelevant trophies |
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