debosky: I never implied not counting all of them - what I was alluding to was the current subject of debate - which is the better club?

Do we judge that with an undue weighting on ancient achievements or do we place more emphasis on achievements within a reasonably competitive era?

dayokanu: @Debosky,
Based on your competitive era argument which is the better national team italy or Brazil

You mean the titles won by Pele, Cryuff, George best, beckenbauer are now irrelevant so how many years would it take for the titles won by Ronaldo and Zidane to be discarded?

Can we also say since England and Cyprus have both won nothing in this "new era" in national Team, they are at par?

coogar:

brazil are the better team. they have won 5 world cups to italy's 4. then you look at their continental achievements and the brand. no comparison and you shouldn't even put the world cup next to the champions league in what we are trying to achieve.....

apples n oranges!!

dayokanu:
Brazil won 3 of these trophies in the dark ages have you forgotten? When there was No single team from Africa and Asia, So why Call it a "World Cup"

coogar:

those teams were there when brazil won it in 94 and 2002. asia/africa have actually diluted the quality of the competition. in 2002, germany was the only quality team brazil played on their way to victory...

china, turkey, costa rica, belgium, etc are the other teams. is this not embarrassing? in 1970, brazil beat england, uruguay, italy, etc to win it. as you can see, the quality of opposition then was better!

dayokanu:
When man Utd won the Champions league in 1999, they were not even Champions of the English league

In 2008 When Man Utd when they did not play the Champion of any Major league in Europe

dayokanu:

When man Utd won the Champions league in 1999, they were not even Champions of the English league

In 2008 When Man Utd when they did not play the Champion of any Major league in Europe

anyaekekehinde:

dayokanu, when did you start watching football, man utd were allready crowned premier league champions befor we went ahead to crush the nazis. We won the treble since 1999, the nazis are just winning it in 2013. Can u beat dat

coogar:

that's the beauty of the new format - the 5th best team in england is better than the best team in scotland...this is why i said its tedious to draw parallels between the world cup and the champions league - united mowed down everything that came their way in 99, including the nazis!

united won it unbeaten!



we beat lyon!
the french league is among the top 5 leagues in europe....

dayokanu:
French League is at par with Portuguese league and a little better than Cypriot.

The world cup is also more difficult to win now that the times when countries play East indonesia
Italy played US, Spain, Austria and Czech to win the world cup

StarBoard:
Copy and paste.
Why not bring out a page supporting your view from goal.com,dailymail.co.uk/sport or telegraph.com?
Try harder man.
Weak a$$ lines you got there, plagiarism genius.

StarBoard:
Genius at work.
Peeps on this thread already dissected this incident YEARS ago.
You're not telling us anything new, both when you try to be original and when you lift off goal.com
So you're still very shallow and imbecilic.

StarBoard:
And this Ninny wants us to believe he is smart when he can't even get his tenses and phrases in order.
The only time you make sense is when you lift off people's work.

Mr_TA: Think I'll comeback whe something happens with the club. The thread has descended into a farce.

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debosky:

If you can read and comprehend, you'll understand who 'I' refers to.

debosky:

In the modern era, yes I would say so.

debosky:
Of course it is - what is not objective about acknowledging that club football was less competitive in the 70's than it was in the 90's?

debosky:
I didn't make a cut based on my age. My 'cut' was based on my evaluation of the competitiveness of the competition. This is borne out by the fact that since the 80's you haven't had instances of a single club winning 3 CL titles in a row.

debosky:


I prefaced my post with my personal opinion. Or don't you understand what personal opinion means?

If you don't like it, say so and move on. I'm not forcing you or anyone else to accept my view.

debosky:
You are free to say so - I consider them less regarded compared to winning the title at Anfield in 89, or winning the title against an all conquering Man Utd at OT, or winning the league unbeaten.

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debosky:

Sir,

I have not discarded the earlier wins, I have simply said they hold less weight in my opinion. You may disagree with this, but that is your prerogative.

My assertion is based on the level of competition available, not the format of the competition. In the early years, it's hard to dispute that the level of competition was much lower than it was from the 80's onward.

It's just like saying though numerically Liverpool is close to United in terms of league titles won, in the modern era (when it's been far more difficult to win titles) Liverpool is nowhere to be found with regard to league triumphs.

elampiro:

You obviously do not know the meaning of plagiarism. Mr. Argument.

elampiro:

Born slowpoke like you thinks everyone uses goal.com or relies on goal.com for information.
You obviously think everyone here is trying to impress, so you cannot detect when one uses photograph to buttress his points in discussion. If you are here to impress, keep it up.

StarBoard:
No debo.
You're still discrediting them,even if you attempt to reduce their importance.
Whatever the level of competition at that time, it was still the best for its time.


Enlighten us, Mr. Intelligent.

Id/iot.
Please shut up if you have nothing else to say.
Go back to the Old Manchester United threads and see where this "picture" evidence you are trying to force down our throats hasn't been dissected and torn to shreds ages ago before you showed up on these pages with your lifting of articles off known websites.You must feel like a genius in your little mind, but you come across as a fool with an in-grown testicle in his brains.
You're still a neophyte.
Try harder abeg.

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