~Royal~:
The Reason the Suns didn't win a title was Robert Horry Slamming Steve Nash into the Scorers Table
That year they were the favorite to win...and when the players left the bench, many key suns players got suspended
The Suns were superior to the spurs that Year.
Horry is both Clutch and Calculated. Amare use to Give TD the Business. Caused all Sorts of problems for Duncan back when Amare was in his Prime.

#RobertHorryPlayoffLegend

A-40:

Joe Johnson Come on bro! What has he done at Atlanta? The odd conference semi appearance? The Suns where not winning it all with him anyway! Mike D'Antoni like Don Nelson doesn't know squat about defence and to win a ring you are gonna have to defend sometime!

A-40:

Problems?? Wasn't he there in 05 when they got beat 4-1? His injuries hardly helped the Suns cause but they won a lot of games without him! And became multi-dimensional! Guys like Leandro Barbosa, Boris Diaw, Raja Bell and Tim Thomas where filling it up in his absence but when Amare came back what happened they couldn't go past the first round of playoff series. I still mainly blame D'Antoni for his lack of emphasis on defence so Don't get it twisted tho he's an excellent player he just seems not to bring it when it matters most plus his Knicks career has been pure disaster

davidif:

That's what i am saying bro. If Joe Johnson had stayed in Phoenix rather than go to Atlanta he might have gotten close to winning a championship rather than the frequent first round playoff exits.

~Royal~:


Amare use to Average Like 29 on Td in his prime.
The spurs were just a better team, mainly because Coach Pop use to shut down Nash with Bruce Bowen.
Amazing how well Bruce use to guard Nash, Great Coaching move by Pop. Nash never had the kind of footspeed to get by an elite defender like that Plus his height and length gave Nash Problems.
Amare use to Shid on Duncan though, The Suns use to Lose Because of the Bowen guarding Nash Dynamic.
In 04-05 playoffs he averaged almost 30

http://databasebasketball.com/players/playerpage.htm?ilkid=stoudam01

(Imo) Amare never was the same after the 04-05 season.

A-40:
But would you be able to keep James Harden?? That's where the trouble @

davidif: OPE O!!! We have given an extension to Ibaka.

Roland17:
Can they challenge for the west? for sure, but i would place the new Lakers and spurs above them.

davidif:
We can trade James Harden for another scorer. Guards like him are a dime a dozen in the NBA but shot blockers like Serge are a premium.
Besides, now that we are at it, we can trade Westbrook for A REAL point guard.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nrxfxpqPeq8&feature=related

A-40:

Really? Do you think it works that easily? Scorers may be a dime a dozen but that doesn't guarantee they would function with the system on ground

You want the OKC to trade Westbrook?? If only I where Mavs GM and you where OKC GM. For whom if I may ask? How many games has he missed since joining the NBA? 0! In 4 seasons do you know how hard it is to find a player like that? A PG that is an excellent rebounder can play defence and actually guard people but is also a top 10 scorer in the league. Plus his assists have improved this year ohh I forgot he is only 23 as well! By all means trade him and let's see how far y'all will go. I'm not saying he is perfect his shot selection is shaky at best but PG's have never been renowned for their shooting!

As for the clip don't mind Magic! There is a reason why great players don't make good coaches or GM's. The GOAT is a fantastic example we can all see what he is doing with the Bobcats

davidif:

SPURS?? I can understand the Lake Show but the Spurs Didn't we run them out of the building last year? They still have the same guys that couldn't match our athleticism last year so what makes you think that they can hang with us?

A-40:
@Roland
Why does your list not include the Mavericks? We are still in the game we've gotten younger this off-season and made a few decent moves! If everyone is healthy we would make some noise

davidif:

Magic and Stephen A. echo some of my sentiments. Westbrook is a source of headache for some of us, he can be too erratic and unpredictable. There is some perception in the league that the guy might not ever be able to develop the decision making ability that some of the upper echelon guards have. That's why i say we trade him for a REAL PG. We can trade this guy for any other point guard in the league (maybe except Derrick Rose).

Secondly, i don't need my point guard to be a top 10 scorer in the league (he was actually no. 4 in scoring in the league), i need him to be the QUARTERBACK OF THE TEAM. He needs to know HIS JOB which is to find Durant and get out of the way. There were several times in the Finals when KD couldn't get the ball and i am wondering, is KD actually in the game at at all? Westbrook needs to know his job and stick to it and stop playing HERO-BALL!!!!!!!!!

As for the part about Westy being an "execellent" defender; did you guys see Tony Parker take him to school during the San Antonio series this year? If it wasn't for the fact that Scott Brooks decided to put Thabo Sefolosha on TP, San Antonio might have swept us in that series.

Finally, about James Harden, would you rather we let him go free at the end of next season (the dude is a budding superstar who averages a whopping 17 pts a game from the bench) or we trade him for someone else? We can't afford to resign him as we might fall into the luxury tax category.

Roland17:

The mavericks have lost touch, acquiring players like O.J Mayo, Elton Brand and Darren Collison does not convince me they can challenge for the west, the organization is in turmoil, player/owner relationship is abysmal. my only joy is D.Nowitzki deservedly got his ring..

~Royal~:
You think Dirk got another run in him Fam?.

Roland17:
If the Heats were matched against the Spurs for the Finals last year, i bet u Lebron and the heats would have been swept off, every one is quick to call them an aging team, but that was what was said last year, the level of depth, discipline and professionalism would always see the spurs challenge for the title.

A-40:

Stephen A is too emotional jare plus he is also erratic and unpredictable! Didn't he predict OKC would win in 5? I'm sure they would have been saying the same thing had OKC won that series
The perception is nonsensical! Maybe people just need to give the boy a break! He is not even 24 yet remember? And is already a multi-allstar Even guys like Kidd,Stockton,Jackson,Nash,Billups where not all-stars at this point of their career.

When last did any team win the title with a "Real Point Guard" (Jason Kidd at 38 don't count) I thought its been established that you don't really need a "Real PG" to win the league. Try telling Durant that they ought to trade Westbrook

This is not American football! The Spurs,Lakers,Bulls built dynasties without a real PG. I really think you are directing your frustrations at the wrong people! Did you see how hard Durant was trapped in those Finals at key stretches?
More help from the supporting cast is what you guys needed. Your players save for Durant are offensively challenged! Just look at your starting V!

A-40:

I think you are too quick to write off the Mavs I can remember this was what they said in the 10-11 season when we got Chandler and Deshawn Williams. Apart from the Lakers and tentatively OKC I don't see any other team head and shoulders ahead of the Mavs. Mark Cuban was too much in a hurry to dismantle that team last season for reasons best known to him. Probably he was looking at potentially getting Dwight and Deron, Obviously that didn't work out but I'd take Team Chemistry over Star Power any day

davidif:

I DEFINITELY WOULD AGREE WITH YOU ON THIS ONE! But to get to Miami, they still have to get past us which is DEFINITELY not going to happen.

davidif:
First of all, after the way we so comprehensively dismantled San Antonio (who would have beaten the Heat by the way), a lot of people including myself thought we were going to dismantle the Heat in 5 (even though in public i used to give it to the Heat in 7 games) and the reasoning wasn't misplaced. It was a combination of Westbrook's erratic play, Scott Brooks inability to switch to a zone and overall inexperience.

davidif:
DON'T TELL ME I JUST READ THAT? REALLY? Derek Fisher not a real point? what of Rajon Rondo (probably the best floor general in the game right now) or Tony Parker, Avery Johnson, Steve Kerr? Were this guys not classic points? Boy, oh boy, i should probably pretend that i just didn't read this.

davidif:
Uhm, i think you meant Deshawn Stevenson

A-40:

Oghene Virgilio!!!!! I am talking about point guards and you are mentioning Steve Kerr (career avg of less than 2 assists), Avery Johnson and Derek Fisher!! Chei!! Are you telling me that those guys ran the Bulls (M.J,Pippen,Rodman) Lakers (Shaq,Kobe,Rice) Spurs (D Admiral,Duncan,Ginobili)
Those guys where just fortunate to be on teams that had HOF'ers and all-stars! You can't be serious man! I'm mentioning guys like Billups,Nash,Stockton.Kidd and Mark Jackson that actually carried their team and you mention Steve Kerr!!! SMH