coogar:

there's no excuse, my brother!
the system has sucked their striking qualities away from them. demba ba is the classic example that no striker would work at chelsea until you clone drogba(jam-body specialist). with no natural wingers in the team, it's difficult for strikers to thrive - they are more or less false-9s cos they are primarily expected to hold the play and find the runners with a through pass. look at ba's position when ramirez scored his goal last night.......



you are a dolt!
so which of these set-plays is torres taking at chelsea that you fools expect him to have the same scoring prowess like his counterparts elsewhere. you are making excuses for demba ba, that excuse does not apply to torres too or have you traded your horse sense for a plate of pepper soup? if torres was taking all the set-plays too, his stats would match most of his rivals in the other teams......

facts remain demba ba has not assisted any goal for chelsea in the league! not one single assist and torres has made 8 of them from open play. if he takes set play, his number would be nearing 20 at the very least. what applies to demba also applies to torres. if you agree torres has flopped then ba has also flopped. if you agree ba hasn't flopped then torres hasn't flopped.

I like the way you twist stats to favour you. You keep on shouting Torres 8 assist (4league ). I ask you again, in how many games? now compare that to Ba then shut the hell up!

A Fact for you! Ba has scored more goals in 2013 for chelsea than Torress. Go choke on that Transversite's Banana. its waiting for you.

Torres in a Failure! Ba cannot be judged yet!

wonlasewonimi:

You meant the 79000 followers?

Bro, You know when someone is insignificant and they wanna feel special on the web and do all them kinda tricks like selling their account to get more followers. . . Coogar is that typa person

lalaboi:
I like the way you twist stats to favour you. You keep on shouting Torres 8 assist (4league ). I ask you again, in how many games? now compare that to Ba then shut the hell up!

the number of games is irrelevant cos ba hasn't assisted a goal yet for chelsea. even if we add ba's contribution @ newcastle where he took set plays, he's only assisted 4 league goals, torres has 8. where's the comparison?

A Fact for you! Ba has scored more goals in 2013 for chelsea than Torress. Go choke on that Transversite's Banana. its waiting for you.
Torres in a Failure! Ba cannot be judged yet!

i wouldn't take that stat seriously - 75% of those goals were against a relegation team(southampton). demba ba has only scored against 2 opponents since he joined chelsea almost 2 months ago. that's pathetic!

lalaboi:
Bro, You know when someone is insignificant and they wanna feel special on the web and do all them kinda tricks like selling their account to get more followers. . . Coogar is that typa person

you are an unrepentant sod!
how do people sell their accounts on twitter? you are such a razz human being - accounts cannot be sold on twitter. when you have followers, it's because people like your tweets or you have a connection of friends who clamoured for some other friends to follow you. stüpid wankër, why don't you sell your account and see whether your idiotic theory holds truth!

selling accounts to marketers? if there's any one more rëtarded than you are on the internet, i would pay you £10,000.

coogar:


answer this question and let's put a line under this matter.
who has performed better? chelsea's demba vs newcastle's demba ba?

Obviously Newcastle's Ba! and i told you why!. . Penalties, Free kicks! at one pont he scored like 3 incredible free kicks in different games. Also he copped more assists when he played wide left or wide right last season to accompany Cisse! another fact for you! Ba gets more assists when he's not deployed as a striker, any striker would. . . he will score more goals than Torress if he been here since the seasons started! Fact

coogar:

the number of games is irrelevant cos ba hasn't assisted a goal yet for chelsea. even if we add ba's contribution @ newcastle where he took set plays, he's only assisted 4 league goals, torres has 8. where's the comparison?

Ba assisted vs Brentford. Fact! tell us something else.

His set plays where direct free kick that resulted in goals!

lalaboi:
Ba assisted vs Brentford. Fact! tell us something else.
His set plays where direct free kick that resulted in goals!

brentford is a premier league team? who reckons with domestic competitions? who keeps stats for it? i am more concerned about the premier league where every team faces the same pool of opponents in one season not yeye competitions like fa cup where chelsea faced brentford and united faced fulham and west ham!

try again - what is ba's number of goal assists in the league for chelsea and newcastle combined?

coogar:

brentford is a premier league team? who reckons with domestic competitions? who keeps stats for it? i am more concerned about the premier league where every team faces the same pool of opponents in one season not yeye competitions like fa cup where chelsea faced brentford and united faced fulham and west ham!

try again - what is ba's number of goal assists in the league for chelsea and newcastle combined?

Then you shoulda said so from the start!. . manipulating stats that suit you again eh? its your specialy, not surprised.

Before it was "Torres has not assisted a single goal for chelsea" and yet claiming Torress had 8 assists despite one of those assists being against brentford. You see your life?

Ba is a striker! and his goals at Newcastle + CHelsea is greater than Torress. Strikers are known for their goals. not some yeye assist. . .

Try again! tell us something new mr cutback

lalaboi:
Then you shoulda said so from the start!. . manipulating stats that suit you again eh? its your specialy, not surprised.

you are a tool - pay attention and stop using your slow logic process to debate with me.

Before it was "Torres has not assisted a single goal for chelsea" and yet claiming Torress had 8 assists despite one of those assists being against brentford. You see your life?

i think you need to go to specsavers - i said ba has not assisted a league goal for chelsea. he's scored 2 miserable goals against bottom teams since his arrival. torres on the other hand has scored goals and assisted them for chelsea. 7 goals + 8 assists is not beans.

who assisted a goal against brentford? ba or torres?
it's difficult to follow your argument when you keep missing your point like a broken pencil. has ba assisted any goal in the premier league for chelsea?

Ba is a striker! and his goals at Newcastle + CHelsea is greater than Torress. Strikers are known for their goals. not some yeye assist. . .
Try again! tell us something new mr cutback

that is the point!
ba was amazing for newcastle and useless for chelsea......according to you also, torres is useless for chelsea. the only reason ba's goals are higher is because of his contribution at newcastle not chelsea. until torres spends half-a-season at newcastle, the stats you reeled out is useless and irrelevant!

coogar:

you are a tool - pay attention and stop using your slow logic process to debate with me.



i think you need to go to specsavers - i said ba has not assisted a league goal for chelsea. he's scored 2 miserable goals against bottom teams since his arrival. torres on the other hand has scored goals and assisted them for chelsea. 7 goals + 8 assists is not beans.

who assisted a goal against brentford? ba or torres?
it's difficult to follow your argument when you keep missing your point like a broken pencil. has ba assisted any goal in the premier league for chelsea?





that is the point!
ba was amazing for newcastle and useless for chelsea......according to you also, torres is useless for chelsea. the only reason ba's goals are higher is because of his contribution at newcastle not chelsea. until torres spends half-a-season at newcastle, the stats you reeled out is useless and irrelevant!

1. if you want to compare Ba and Torres, then at least do so within the same time frame. Jan 2013 till date. Based on performances torress losses, based on goals, he still looses, what are you defending?

2. 7goals 8assists in how many appearance? then its beans. .

3. you posted assist stats being greater, followiing your logic, until Ba spends the same amount of time at chelsea as torres for those assists and goals then your stat is irrelevant as well.

debosky:

What makes me wonder more is that peeps would justify Ba's poor performances at Chelski just to spite Torres. If we all agree Torres is crap, why can't folk tell the truth about Ba's poor performances without bringing Torres into it to 'justify' how bad he has been?

Demba Ba has scored 4 goals in limited appearances. How is that poor?

coogar: the number of games is irrelevant cos ba hasn't assisted a goal yet for chelsea. .

I know you lie for a living.

But who assisted Torres lone goal this year?

dayokanu:

Demba Ba has scored 4 goals in limited appearances. How is that poor?

That is pretty poor considering only 2 of those have been in the league....

Hernandez of Manure also has limited chances, more so than Ba I believe...and he performs everytime he comes on.

Ba is not the problem though...Chelsea is

coogar:

brentford is a premier league team? who reckons with domestic competitions? who keeps stats for it? i am more concerned about the premier league where every team faces the same pool of opponents in one season not yeye competitions like fa cup where chelsea faced brentford and united faced fulham and west ham!

try again - what is ba's number of goal assists in the league for chelsea and newcastle combined?

In the same vein can we say Torres hasnt scored in the 2013 Calendar year?

coogar: i think you need to go to specsavers - i said ba has not assisted a league goal for chelsea. he's scored 2 miserable goals against bottom teams since his arrival.

West brom a bottom team? Who would have thought

jackbauersballs: That is pretty poor considering only 2 of those have been in the league....

Hernandez of Manure also has limited chances, more so than Ba I believe...and he performs everytime he comes on.

Ba is not the problem though...Chelsea is

How many games has Ba played in the league? He has less than 400 min and has 2 goals. He has only started 5 games. 2 goals in 5 starts

lalaboi:
1. if you want to compare Ba and Torres, then at least do so within the same time frame. Jan 2013 till date. Based on performances torress losses, based on goals, he still looses, what are you defending?

even if we base it on their performances since ba arrived, torres still wins.

torres - 0 goals + 3 assists in 342 league mins
demba - 2 goals + 0 assists in 389 league mins

2. 7goals 8assists in how many appearance? then its beans. .

i work with league mins. appearances is not an accurate stat to judge the contribution of a striker. a striker that spent 90 mins on the pitch and the one that spent 30 secs spent on the pitch both register as 1 appearance.

3. you posted assist stats being greater, followiing your logic, until Ba spends the same amount of time at chelsea as torres for those assists and goals then your stat is irrelevant as well.

then you are a tool because past records in the english league show that ba has never recorded more than 5 league assists in one season even in the clubs where he performed.

torres' number of assists this season = total number of assists demba ba has copped in his entire career in the premier league.

dayokanu:

How many games has Ba played in the league? He has less than 400 min and has 2 goals. He has only started 5 games. 2 goals in 5 starts

Hernandez has 8 in 6 starts bruv....

We all Know Ba is a fantastic player on his day, but Chelsea have not played to his strengths...

Remember at the Magpies he was the focal point of a 4-3-3...

Now he's basically a passenger...pretty much because apart from goals he has very little to offer a team...and the Chelsea setup currently doesn't favour his goal scoring at all

coogar:

even if we base it on their performances since ba arrived, torres still wins.

torres - 0 goals + 3 assists in 342 league mins
demba - 2 goals + 0 assists in 389 league mins

Does commonsense to tell you that Goals carry more weight than assists?

Like I said earlier I know you lie a lot so I would try to corect your lies

Torres minutes to avoid confusion

90 mins vs QPR
20mins vs Stoke
79 mins vs Arsenal
89mins vs Reading
48mins vs Newcastle
90mins vs Wigan
10mins vs City
4mins vs West brom

[size=14pt]TOTAL 430mins total 7 hours 10mins.

How many goals scored 0[/size]

coogar:
i wouldn't take that stat seriously - 75% of those goals were against a relegation team(southampton). demba ba has only scored against 2 opponents since he joined chelsea almost 2 months ago. that's pathetic!

How many relegation teams has Torres played against since he got to Chelsea and how many goals has he scored against them?

jackbauersballs:
Hernandez has 8 in 6 starts bruv....
We all Know Ba is a fantastic player on his day, but Chelsea have not played to his strengths...
Remember at the Magpies he was the focal point of a 4-3-3...

this is how to debate....
lalaboi, dayokanu, fat ibile and el guapo, please take note.....

Now he's basically a passenger...pretty much because apart from goals he has very little to offer a team...and the Chelsea setup currently doesn't favour his goal scoring at all

apart from goals, demba offers nothing.
if we go by the continental method of computing goal assists, demba ba has 0 assist this season and torres has 4. you only remember ba when he scores goals - he does nothing apart from goalscoring. chelsea's current system does not favour strikers like him. you can bet ba would have scored 4-8 goals for newcastle in the same period he has scored only 2 for chelsea.

so let's ask again - are the strikers the problem or the system?

jackbauersballs: Hernandez has 8 in 6 starts bruv....

We all Know Ba is a fantastic player on his day, but Chelsea have not played to his strengths...

Remember at the Magpies he was the focal point of a 4-3-3...

Now he's basically a passenger...pretty much because apart from goals he has very little to offer a team...and the Chelsea setup currently doesn't favour his goal scoring at all

Some players are impact players who do better as subs than as Starters

Example Kanu and this season Dzeko at one time has scored more goals as a sub than as a starter.

Demba Ba need to be starting regularly to be in good form, the same kind of run given to Torres and he messed up should be given to Ba and I can tell you that Ba with 20 starts would cop more than 7 goals that Torres currently has

Last season after Pappis came and Demba was benched and coming in as a sub, He wasnt scoring muchuntil he got back his regular shirt and he went on a run.

If Ba was given the kind of run Torres had he would be on 15 goals at least

coogar:

this is how to debate....
lalaboi, dayokanu, fat ibile and el guapo, please take note.....



apart from goals, demba offers nothing.
if we go by the continental method of computing goal assists, demba ba has 0 assist this season and torres has 4. you only remember ba when he scores goals - he does nothing apart from goalscoring. chelsea's current system does not favour strikers like him. you can bet ba would have scored 4-8 goals for newcastle in the same period he has scored only 2 for chelsea.

so let's ask again - are the strikers the problem or the system?

You mean Ba would have scored 8 goals in Newcastle if he was not given regular games? How many goals did he score for the same Newcastle second half of last season when pappis was bought?

I can bet if Ba was given the run Torres had he would have scored more than 7 league goals

BTW how many league minutes has Torres played this year 2013?

dayokanu:
Does commonsense to tell you that Goals carry more weight than assists?

you must be a fool to think so as assists directly leads to goals. some assists are even more difficult to handle than scoring goals from tap-ins. in a nutshell, one does not carry weight than the other

Like I said earlier I know you lie a lot so I would try to corect your lies. Torres minutes to avoid confusion

i like making you look stüpid!

90 mins vs QPR
20mins vs Stoke
79 mins vs Arsenal
89mins vs Reading
48mins vs Newcastle
90mins vs Wigan
10mins vs City
4mins vs West brom

TOTAL 430mins total 7 hours 10mins.

How many goals scored 0

why do you misappropriate facts to suit your argument? as at the time chelsea played qpr, ba had not joined chelsea. chelsea lost to qpr on the 2nd of january, ba arrived on the 3rd. ba's first involvement at chelsea started against stoke when he got subbed in the 70th minute so recompute your stats again and get back to me.

it's funny each time you try to emphasise your useless facts with big fonts, they got pulled down and get pissed on!!!

coogar: you must be a fool to think so as assists directly leads to goals. some assists are even more difficult to handle than scoring goals from tap-ins. in a nutshell, one does not carry weight than the other!

Only a tool would think assists carry more weight than goals scored

Assists are more important than goals. Hmm...scrap the golden boots and replace with assists boots.

Since we want to argue foolishly, dud cost more tha Ba so he should be scoring more.

dayokanu:
Only a tool would think assists carry more weight than goals scored

assists are as important as goals - this is modern football! a striker goes on a mazy run by dribbling 5 defenders then unleashes a shot that hits the post....the rebound falls at the feet of a team-mate who then taps in from 2 yards - you mean the scorer has done more than the goal assistant? are you silly?



dayo, who did more there? the goal assistant or the scorer?

sephia: Assists are more important than goals. Hmm...scrap the golden boots and replace with assists boots..

Thats what happens when people argue bar common sense.

Why is Suarez, van persie and bale the top dogs in EPL and not Gerrard, Rooney and Podolski who top assists charts

Why are La Liga folks shouting Messi Ronaldo and Falcao who top goal scorers chart and not Iniesta, ozil Faregas

sephia:

Since we want to argue foolishly, dud cost more tha Ba so he should be scoring more.

Actually this isnt a foolish argument, but sound logic..

You dont sign a player for 50 million pounds unless you expect him to significantly outperform his cheaper counterparts....

Torres has failed at Chelsea...I personally feel that the boy has been broken by the physicality of the English game...But I also know that this current formation has not helped him.

Torres at Liverpool was a sublime poacher who teed off Gerrard. The team behind created the chances, and the boy converted them. Same at Athletico with Kun Aguero.

The Torres of today has lost his pace, His team play a system that don't favour him, his price tag is deadweight on his shoulders, and his confidence is Shattered.

He needs a fresh environment to re-discover himself, cos life at the bridge is obviously hell for him.

I even heard he's now very withdrawn these days and only converses in Spanish with his guy Benayoun(another failure)

dayokanu:

Thats what happens when people argue bar common sense.

Why is Suarez, van persie and bale the top dogs in EPL and not Gerrard, Rooney and Podolski who top assists charts

Why are La Liga folks shouting Messi Ronaldo and Falcao who top goal scorers chart and not Iniesta, ozil Faregas

Apart from Van Persie, have you noticed that every other person on your list offer a lot more than only goals.

This season when Van-Persie hasn't scored, he has looked VERY pedestrian - Last night's game as a classic example.

The modern game requires strikers to contribute a LOT more than just goals.

The days of Michael Owen and van Nistelrooy are long gone my friend...

^^ Torres of Liverpool was a fluke.. The 2008-2009 was a fluke season which some players have once in a lifetime.

Ever heard of Vedad ibisevic, Kevin Phillips, Roque Santacruz etc

I have always maintained Torres was overrated he was never that good to start with

Why has he only scored 7 goals for Spanish team where he has assists masters and everyone speaks Spanish

dayokanu:
Thats what happens when people argue bar common sense.

Why is Suarez, van persie and bale the top dogs in EPL and not Gerrard, Rooney and Podolski who top assists charts

Why are La Liga folks shouting Messi Ronaldo and Falcao who top goal scorers chart and not Iniesta, ozil Faregas

what a tool - why were zidane, scholes, xavi, maradona, etc top dogs in the art of goal making when scoring isn't even their strongest point? a goal is as important as the pass that led to it. if the passes are not crisp, there would be no goals. replace xavi, iniesta and busquets with ramsey, coquelin and djemba djemba and let's see whether messi would be scoring 91 goals in a calendar year.

dayokanu:
Why has he only scored 7 goals for Spanish team where he has assists masters and everyone speaks Spanish

Remember David Villa was 1st choice striker for Spain.

Also remember that Spain play like Barca in a wingerless system.

They do not play the Kind of football that suits Torres.

Midfield Possession is SO important to Spain that they would rather play 4-6-0 to keep their shape.

Torres is primarily a poacher and NEEDS to get those through balls to run on to...