jackbauersballs:

Apart from Van Persie, have you noticed that every other person on your list offer a lot more than only goals.

This season when Van-Persie hasn't scored, he has looked VERY pedestrian - Last night's game as a classic example.

The modern game requires strikers to contribute a LOT more than just goals.

The days of Michael Owen and van Nistelrooy are long gone my friend...

jackbauersballs:

Remember David Villa was 1st choice striker for Spain.

jackbauersballs:
Remember David Villa was 1st choice striker for Spain.

coogar:

what a tool - why were zidane, scholes, xavi, maradona, etc top dogs in the art of goal making when scoring isn't even their strongest point? a goal is as important as the pass that led to it. if the passes are not crisp, there would be no goals. replace xavi, iniesta and busquets with ramsey, coquelin and djemba djemba and let's see whether messi would be scoring 91 goals in a calendar year.

coogar:

he won't remember such - how has villa fared since his move to barca? when the system is not built around a striker, everything else fails. villa is wasted on the flank while messi gets the accolades. this is david villa we are taking about......the most accomplished striker in the last decade.

it depends how you watch your football - goals ain't everything otherwise no midfielder would win player of the tournaments, etc. ronaldo wasn't even the highest goal scorer in 06/07 when he won PFA player in england. other players like bale and parker have also won the award without scoring 59 goals per season.

dayokanu:
Who are the top dogs in the EPL ? Gerrard, Podolski? or Suarez, Van persie and bale?
WHo are the top dogs in la Liga currently? Fabregas Iniesta Ozil or Messi, ROnaldo, falcao?

dayokanu:
Do you even follow football or you are a bot?

David Villa had 18 league goals in his debut season and was faring well until he copped the horrific leg break which defined his career since then

dayokanu:

What does Falcao, Ronaldo offer more than goals sir?

jackbauersballs:

Lol is this a Joke?

Ronaldo has 28 assists in 26 league games this season. His Movement opens up space and occupies defenders.

Falcoa has 8 assists in 24 league games this season. Agreed this is not a mind blowing statistic, but 8 created goals from the man who is supposed to finish them is quite impressive.

jackbauersballs:

Lol is this a Joke?

Ronaldo has 28 assists in 26 league games this season. His Movement opens up space and occupies defenders.

Falcoa has 8 assists in 24 league games this season. Agreed this is not a mind blowing statistic, but 8 created goals from the man who is supposed to finish them is quite impressive.

coogar:

this jack bauer dude is making so much sense - dayo is a complete halfwit. people were praising carrick's pass to chicharito last night against chelsea. the header was basic - chicharito knew cech was off his line so he looped the ball towards the net - the assist of that goal was well worthier than the goal itself.

dayokanu:
Ronaldo 28 league assist and Falcao 8 league assist make sense to you?

Why am I not surprised. Everything would make sense to a turd. I am sure sleeping nakked in The Northpole makes sense to you

dayokanu:

LOL the joke is on the other side.

Show me where Ronaldo has 28 league assists this season? How many goals does he have sef?

Falcao 8 league asists? Are we talking about la Liga or PS3 and Xbox football?

Bros what time is it where you dey now?

These are stats I expect from serial liars like coogar not you. No fall my hand oo

jackbauersballs:

I cant start editing screenies cos i'm at work but check these link from the La liga website:

http://www.lfp.es/Temporada/fichaclubjugador.aspx?cjo=14937&ceo=186

http://www.lfp.es/Temporada/fichaclubjugador.aspx?cjo=48847&ceo=175

Now unless I misunderstand what International Shot Assists mean, these are the Accurate stats.

dayokanu:
So with this correction can you now tell what else Falcao and Ronaldo contribute other than goals scored

dayokanu:

I am sure you misunderstand

Ronaldo has 6 league assists all season In games vs Mallorca, Athletico, Esponyol, Valencia, Sevilla and Deportivo

Falcao has 1 league assist all season in the game vs Levante the first game of the season

So with this correction can you now tell what else Falcao and Ronaldo contribute other than goals scored

coogar:

but demba ba has zero assists if you use the standard used in la liga to compute ba's stats on assist. ronaldo and falcao have assisted, ba hasn't in 2000+ league minutes - it's a crying shame!

jackbauersballs:

See post above.

dayokanu:
Sorry Demba Ba has 3 league assists for newcastle

dayokanu:

Which post above? And How does this prove your claim that Ronaldo has 28 assists or that Falcao and Ronaldo do anything other than score goals?

coogar:

are you stüpid? i said if you used the continental standard, ba has no assists this season for either newcastle or chelsea.

dayokanu:
Asking if you are stuupid is asking the obvious. To the same person that Ronaldos 28 league assists made sense to. LOL

jackbauersballs:

Hernandez has 8 in 6 starts bruv....

We all Know Ba is a fantastic player on his day, but Chelsea have not played to his strengths...

Remember at the Magpies he was the focal point of a 4-3-3...

Now he's basically a passenger...pretty much because apart from goals he has very little to offer a team...and the Chelsea setup currently doesn't favour his goal scoring at all

coogar:

what a tool - how did you deduce i was referring to his ronaldo stats when i said he is making sense? i said that even before that particular post. his stats might have been quoted wrongly but his point still stands.

falcao has not assisted much but he's scoring loads of goals. ronaldo too is doing the business in scoring and often assisting. ba is doing neither - not assisting at all and not scoring many as well.

dayokanu:
In 2000 league minutes played this season Demba Ba has scored 15 goals.

No one is saying he is a Ronaldo or a Falcao but surely world better than fernandud.
Ronaldo and falcao are in this discussion because someone told us Scoring has the same weight as assists and I asked why is Gerrard and Podolski not rated as Van persie and Suarez or why is Iniesta and Ozil not rated as Ronaldo and Falcao

dayokanu:

Which post above? And How does this prove your claim that Ronaldo has 28 assists or that Falcao and Ronaldo do anything other than score goals?

jackbauersballs:
Torres by default is that kind of player. He naturally sits on the shoulder of the last defender waiting for the through ball. At Chelsea he is NOT the main goal outlet. Neither is Ba. They are both part of an Ensemble cast - And it is hurting both of them as they are used to being the main outlets.

Chelsea style is messing up these guys for real.

Note: Assisting is not all about delivering the final ball, Falcao/Ronaldo and the Old Torres have very often initialized a goal scoring move.

jackbauersballs: Dayo I'm sure you can read...

Now listen, The reason why Falcao has such a phenomenal goal rate is because he is the main goal outlet for his team. The team is built around him. As such he is not mandated to create goals for his team mates. Mind this is not saying he does not offer more than goals - He occupies Defenders and draws them out to create space for his team mates.

Torres by default is that kind of player. He naturally sits on the shoulder of the last defender waiting for the through ball. At Chelsea he is NOT the main goal outlet. Neither is Ba. They are both part of an Ensemble cast - And it is hurting both of them as they are used to being the main outlets.

Chelsea style is messing up these guys for real.

Note: Assisting is not all about delivering the final ball, Falcao/Ronaldo and the Old Torres have very often initialized a goal scoring move.

coogar:

this is why majority of the people think you are stupid on these pages...
a striker has copped 8 assists from open play and yet you criticize his football brain and his passing? demba has not copped any assist for chelsea since january. torres cops 1 key pass per game, demba ba has 0.6 key pass per game.........chelsea are better off with torres on the pitch than demba.

dayokanu:
This is exactly the same thing Demba Ba does and even did yesterday watch both Chelsea goals and tell me Demba ba didnt play a huge part in them.

Why is Torres not delivering for Spain since 2010? Is it Chelsea thats also the problem with Spain? Torres has always been a mediocre striker, Most people are stuck with a romantic idea and dont want to give it up In this case assuming Torres is able, the fact is he had a fluke 2008-2009 and has returned to his old self.

in the last 3 years he has failed for club and country. 7 goals in 27 appearance for country the most creative football nation alive is a disaster.

Show us where Torres has been succesful in the last 3 yrs. Ba in his short spell at Chelsea has 4 goals , 2 in the league Torres in the same time as Demba Ba has one solitary goal vs Brentford. how does Demba ba score and Torres cant in the same team?

Demba Ba does this regular, still did less than 24hrs ago

mithel:
and you are einstein