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Lampard is the reason why Torres didn't score a goal at Chelsea in his first 3 months??

Lampard is also the reason why Torres has scored just one goal this year

Hehehehehe oturukpeke

dayokanu: So you dont know home teams tend to dominate more than away team? then what is called home advantage in football?

In the last 5 games Demba played for chelsea all competitions he had 12 shots 7 on target

In the last 5 games torres played for Chelsea all competition he has 6 shots total and 3 on target

The lampard discussion na distraction

Is lampard the reason why Demba is having double of Torres shots

jackbauersballs: Admittedly Ba has been a bit more clinical than Fernando, but both strikers are starving.

How else can you explain Ba having only 1 or 2shots in games where he played 90 minutes, while Lampard has 3,Mata has 2,Hazard has 2?

Same with Torres.

No Doubt Torres has been wasteful of the few chances he has got.....BUT the chances have been VERY few for both him and Ba.

This is the point I am trying to make. This is why I brought up Hazard, Mata and Lampards shooting stats.

Ba might(and will) convert a few more chances, but it does not hide the fact that he is simply NOT getting the service from his midfield.

Ditto Torres.

And as long as this continues, Strikers will suffer. I doubt Ba will bag 10 in all comps for us this season sef

dayokanu: ^^
You are gradually coming around to see Torres is the eternal wasteman here. Ba has 4 goals Torres has 1 since january despite Demba playing against United and city away.

You doubt Demba would score 10 in all competitions? how many strikers who play regularly get 20 goals all season yet you are expecting Demba to score 10 in half while playing in bits and pieces Demba is a striker not Prophet Olumba Olumba or TB Joshua

As Per lampard If you remove 5 penalties from Lampards goals, then he has a similar goal return to Bastian Schweinsteiger
in the league.All of Robben, Ribery, Kroos, Muller, Shaqiri Schweinsteiger have been played in the number 10 position at some time in their career

Ibime: Jackbauersballs is a typical loudmouth who thinks anyone is entitled to an opinion as long as he has the ability to express it with Queens English.

Go check the games David Luiz played in midfield and tell me how many shots he took.

That an unknowledgeable fella should open his big mouth to question the assist ability of the highest assister in Chelsea's history shows he is a fool. If Lamps cannot assist then everybody in the history of the club must be dud at assisting seeing how Lamps tops the assist record.

Beyond Lamps, we currently boast the most productive assister in Europe. We are talking of Mata, a ninja who assisted 26 times last season and is already on [size=28pt]27 assists [/size]this season.

Yet this guy is spouting opata because Demba Ba has averaged a goal every two games (the striker standard) against the top teams in the league whilst Torres is reserved for the "come chop" games in which Demba woulda easily averaged a goal a game by now if he was allowed to play.

What's worse is this foolish ninja joining issues with a well known jobless waste of a human being with mental health issues like Coogar.

Please we don't want Coogar displaying his madness on our thread no more. Keep quiet and let the ninja go away.

sephia: There is something about jackbeaursballs, coogar and nitlad. If I was a betting woman I would bet they are triplets...

jackbauersballs:

I fail to see what you are driving at.

Do you not get what I am telling you? This is not a case of Ba vs Torres...

Both of them are not utilized effectively under the current dispensation.

For instance...In the Last 6 games, Hazard has had only 1 assist, Mata 2, Lampard 0

In the same time period Hazard has tallied 6 shots, Mata 9 shots and Lampard 13!

Yet in the same time period Torres has 11 shots(5 in one game-Sparta) shots and Ba has 10 shots(6-in one game -Westbrom).

All stats from ESPN.

Now it says a lot when the players who are supposed to be CREATING goals are infact not doing so, but racking up shots on goal to rival and in Lampard's case surpass their Strikers shot tallies!

Strikers under Chelsea will always struggle as long as the Midfielders keep going for personal glory!

Ibime:
What's worse is this foolish ninja joining issues with a well known jobless waste of a human being with mental health issues like Coogar.

Please we don't want Coogar displaying his madness on our thread no more. Keep quiet and let the ninja go away.

Meanwhile enjoy this collection from the greatest assister in Chelsea history. You will notice that half of his assists are what some nincompoops term "vertical passes"

jackbauersballs: I believe you support Die Bayern.

You lot play a similar formation to Chelsea on paper -4-2-3-1

The difference is you have natural wingers - Shaqri, Robben, Ribery and Alaba(ish ). These guys exploit the flanks and allow room for Gomez/Muller/Kroos to operate.

At Chelsea it is different...We have 4 natural '10's in the 1st team -Mazacar and Lampard -Mazacar often drift into the middle crowding the space where Torres/Ba are supposed to operate.

Schweinsteiger on Paper plays a similar role to Lampard - The deep lying playmaker: The diferrence is unlike Schweini who sits and controls the tempo of the game while maintaining team shape, Lampard is rushing up the pitch trying to break goalscoring records.

The Result?

5 midfielders attacking the exact same space that Torres/Ba should call home.

When that poor excuse for a Brazilian(Ramires) is playing, it becomes even worse..

Admittedly Ba has been a bit more clinical than Fernando, but both strikers are starving.

How else can you explain Ba having only 1 or 2shots in games where he played 90 minutes, while Lampard has 3,Mata has 2,Hazard has 2?

Same with Torres.

No Doubt Torres has been wasteful of the few chances he has got.....BUT the chances have been VERY few for both him and Ba.

This is the point I am trying to make. This is why I brought up Hazard, Mata and Lampards shooting stats.

Ba might(and will) convert a few more chances, but it does not hide the fact that he is simply NOT getting the service from his midfield.

Ditto Torres.

And as long as this continues, Strikers will suffer. I doubt Ba will bag 10 in all comps for us this season sef

I don even tire to dey argue this topic.

Abeg make I go smoke my e-gbow in peace

El Guapo:

He failed with the Past Systems when Didier and Anelka flourished, he's failing in a 4-2-3-1 that has had RDM get sacked, there's a big tendency that he'd stil fail in whatever formation he Plays - Now please Lay off the blame from my Midfielders!

coogar: and yet the idiocy in him rear it's head again........
we don't care about lampard's antecedents. tell us why he has no league assist this term while playing in the same position as ramirez, carrick, cleverley, allen, anderson, etc?

coogar: guapo the mexican, i hate to be the bearer of bad news but drogba did not flourish in 6 out of the 8 seasons he spent at chelsea. in other words, no striker has actually really done well at chelsea.

drogba's league goals at chelsea
04/05 10 hit or flop?
05/06 12 hit or flop?
06/07 20 golden boot
07/08 8 hit or flop?

08/09 5 hit or flop?
09/10 29 HIT
10/11 11 hit or flop?
11/12 5 hit or flop?

so where is this myth coming from that drogba flourished at chelsea?

sephia: There is something about jackbeaursballs, coogar and nitlad. If I was a betting woman I would bet they are triplets...

Ibime: It's obvious the guy above is from the same walk of life as the Maddog Coogar.

Demba Ba has averaged a goal every 180 minutes against the tougher teams, enough cause for the loudmouth bauersballs to start ranting nonsense about Chelsea midfielders being selfish and claiming 13 matches even if Ba only played few minutes of many of those matches

FACT - Demba Ba is averaging a goal every 2 games which is the striker standard. Eediot like bauersballs with more half arrrsed opinion than sense is ranting nonsense already when Demba Bas foot is barely under the table.

The eediot keeps ranting about Lampard no assists. How many assists does Mikel or any other deep lying midfielder have. The same eediot claim Lampard is taking wild shots but Lamps scored 6 or 7 games in a row from those shots, balls that dropped on the edge of the box to the DM.

Juan Mata has 12 EPL assists, 5 FA Cup assists, 5 league cup assists plus 3 Europan assists yet the dud shekpekeeper could not collect assists giving this loudmouth cause to rant. Hazard in turn has 15 assists. You would not find another club in the premierleague with attacking midfielders posting such numbers.

Not surprising therefore that an eediot who proudly boasted of smoking weed in Agege with areaboys is joining issues with the jobless madman Coogar.
Carry on ranting. oNe!

Ibime why you carry my matta for head like this? I thief your babe? Abi na me sack your papa?

I am an Agege bred boy through and through...and yes I smoke that green ting...I'm happy to puff puff pass to you if you want..

El Guapo:



Forget about the attacker been the team's Output and Midfielders not running the sytem to suit blah blah blah, the key discourse has been on Ba and Torres.

U and ya Cut-back Crew should tell me why Nando's hommie Rafa would deem Ba good enough for the Bigger games and we're all good.

sephia: Torres has 8 assist like it's a big deal. That isn't enough excuse for him not to score goals. Our friend RVP has 12 assist yet has 19 goals, same goes with Suarez, 8 assist and 22 goals. These are the main strikers for their team, same as the dud.

coogar:

suarez and rvp take set plays(corners, direct/indirect freekicks), 90% of their assists from set plays. nando torres copped those 8 assists from open play. can you now see the difference or should we break your head and put football analysis in your brain before sewing it up? why should a striker assist 8 goals from open play? why why why?

sephia:
B.S. Show the stats let's see how many set pieces by the duo that was converted to goals, it's not enough to tell me they take set piece for their teams, show us the conversion rate from those set pieces. Until then, i will assume all assist were from open play.

coogar:

don't disgrace yourself o - do you know the number of van persie's corners evra and evans have scored from this season?

sephia:
Educate me, that's why you are Mr. Stats. Let us deduct those converted then we will know which was from set play and open play. You guys are playing the Torres assist too much. Assist doesn't stop one from scoring.

jackbauersballs:

Dude I have admitted severally in my last few posts that Ba has been more clinical than Torres.

Now for the sake of Argument let us assume that Fernando is a one-legged crippled dud who is incapable of hitting a barn door from 5 yards out.

Also, let us say Ba is better than anyone from the Torres Lineage.

Now Ba has played 13 games for the blues- Starting 9 games.

That means he has started 70% of the games he has played,so the claim of limited minutes is obviously a lie

Yet he has returned only 4 goals...2 of which came in one game.

Remove the game with a brace....and you have 2 goals in 12 games.

2 goals in 12 games sir.

Now understand this, I AM NOT BY ANY MEANS SUGGESTING THAT BA IS A POOR PLAYER.

Far from it.

Now lets look at individual game stats.

Ba's first start was against Southampton where he bagged a Brace.
Yet he had ONLY 2 shots all game- Clinical Yes, but how come he had ONLY 2 Chances to score all game?

Against Brentford where he started.
Ba only managed 2 shots all game.

At Mancity where he started, Ba only had 1 shot all game.
1 lonely shot. It wasn't even on target.

Now Ba is a proven marksman, but a lack of shots simply suggest A LACK OF CHANCES.

Even if Ba continued to convert his meager chances per game, it still wouldn't hide the fact that this man is starving in that box.

My question to you now is WHY?

Why is Ba not getting those chances?

Is it due to poor positioning?

Is it due to Ba not gelling with his teammates?

Or are his midfielders failing to feed him?

You tell me, El Guapo

Yeah i'd tell U!

Ba made it to Chelsea when its obvious everything was out of Place - the flair and Creativity we exhumed under RDM was lost, players morale thwarted and then a Manager that centered his philosophy in Conservativity.
Nando enjoyed the best of Mazacar and failed, infact he actually blew up the Mazacar and made it look like a Project under Abia State's Govt Care!

Ever wondered if Ba was with this team from the Pre-season and played under RDM? U'd be hating Torres for real!

El Guapo:

Yeah i'd tell U!

Ba made it to Chelsea when its obvious everything was out of Place - the flair and Creativity we exhumed under RDM was lost, players morale thwarted and then a Manager that centered his philosophy in Conservativity.
Nando enjoyed the best of Mazacar and failed, infact he actually blew up the Mazacar and made it look like a Project under Abia State's Govt Care!

Ever wondered if Ba was with this team from the Pre-season and played under RDM? U'd be hating Torres for real!

El Guapo:

Yeah i'd tell U!

Ba made it to Chelsea when its obvious everything was out of Place - the flair and Creativity we exhumed under RDM was lost, players morale thwarted and then a Manager that centered his philosophy in Conservativity.
Nando enjoyed the best of Mazacar and failed, infact he actually blew up the Mazacar and made it look like a Project under Abia State's Govt Care!

Ever wondered if Ba was with this team from the Pre-season and played under RDM? U'd be hating Torres for real!

jackbauersballs:

Stats from Last Year when MaZaCar was formed, and everything was 'In place'

Chelsea v Mancity - Community Shield - 0 shots from Torres
Chelsea v Wigan - Prm -only 1 shot from Torres
Chelsea v Newcastle -Prm- only 1 shot from Torres

I could go on....

Again I ask...Is the meagre amount of shots taken down to Torres's incompetence?

Or is he being malnourished?

You tell me.

coogar:

this issue has been overtrashed.....torres is starved by the floating 2 behind him. they would rather shoot on target than lay it on a plate for him. this is like having 3 rooneys behind van persie. MAZACAR are all goal-scoring threats who can shoot on target in and around 20 yards from goal. ba will not flourish from this set-up, no striker can. chelsea need more selfless workers in that area of the pitch.

jackbauersballs:

Stats from Last Year when MaZaCar was formed, and everything was 'In place'

Chelsea v Mancity - Community Shield - 0 shots from Torres
Chelsea v Wigan - Prm -only 1 shot from Torres
Chelsea v Newcastle -Prm- only 1 shot from Torres

I could go on....

Again I ask...Is the meagre amount of shots taken down to Torres's incompetence?

Or is he being malnourished?

You tell me.

coogar:

suarez and rvp take set plays(corners, direct/indirect freekicks), 90% of their assists from set plays. nando torres copped those 8 assists from open play. can you now see the difference or should we break your head and put football analysis in your brain before sewing it up? why should a striker assist 8 goals from open play? why why why?