dayokanu:
How many of Suarez set plays have been converted to goals

dayokanu:

You saw the clip I posted yesterday? The one coogar said was a "cutback"


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OqLnwjbavgQ

Now tell me why Torres didnt get the shot. Was it the midfielders fault that Torres couldnt get a goal, Lampard an assist or at worst Torres a shot on target

jackbauersballs:

Dayo

How many times must I say Torres has obviously not been at his best?

How many times do you want me to repeat that ehn?

the thing you put up there can happen to ANYBODY as we well know, ad the fact that Torres squandered one chance does not mean he's getting regular supply.

coogar:

plenty of them and suarez is not even an arrow head, he's a forward and all access leads to him. he hits the post more than any player in the league bar van persie - he gets assists from those as well.

the youtube link you keep wänking about is a cutback - i have shown you a similar clip with rooney doing the same for giggs. nando's reaction after the cut back seems to be gesturing to his team mate that the ball was laid on the plate for him.

dayokanu:

The reason Torres doesnt get shots on target is because he is poor in spirit. he squaders everything. Attacking moves he ruins, Goal scoring opportunities he wastes. he cant do anything right. His movement are like a cripple with 2 left legs

how come Demba who has played in tougher games and fewer minutes have more shots on goal and more goals.

I disagree that the myriad of chances squadered by Torres in the last 2 yrs can happen to anyone

Tell me any striker in Europe who is as useles as Torres in the last 2 seasons

dayokanu:
Most of Liverpools corner kicks are taken by Gerrard, Most penalties by gerrard only direct freekicks are taken by Suarez and he doesnt lay it for anyone he shoots. OK Suarez gets assists from hitting the post, What stops Torres from getting such assists?

coogar:

drogba(chelsea)
lukaku(chelsea)

he would if he has selfless midfielders in liverpool laying it on a plate for him. suarez is the only striking outlet liverpool has got. he has 121 shots this season. i am sure its more than MAZACAR + torres put together.

dayokanu:

The reason Torres doesnt get shots on target is because he is poor in spirit. he squaders everything. Attacking moves he ruins, Goal scoring opportunities he wastes. he cant do anything right. His movement are like a cripple with 2 left legs

how come Demba who has played in tougher games and fewer minutes have more shots on goal and more goals.

I disagree that the myriad of chances squadered by Torres in the last 2 yrs can happen to anyone

Tell me any striker in Europe who is as useles as Torres in the last 2 seasons

jackbauersballs:

I'm not talking about Shots on target, I am talking about total shots.

Torres starts and has few shots- he is poor in spirit

Ba starts and has few shots - Is he poor in spirit as well? Is he also a cripple with 2 left feet?(LOL this cracked me up gaan! )
.

False. I showed you the stats for both of them in their last 6 games -Torres has 11 while Ba has 10

I believe Coogar has answered this

jackbauersballs:

Stats from Last Year when MaZaCar was formed, and everything was 'In place'

Chelsea v Mancity - Community Shield - 0 shots from Torres
Chelsea v Wigan - Prm -only 1 shot from Torres
Chelsea v Newcastle -Prm- only 1 shot from Torres

I could go on....

Again I ask...Is the meagre amount of shots taken down to Torres's incompetence?

Or is he being malnourished?

You tell me.

coogar:
suarez misses 81% of the chance he gets and he has 22 league goals. christ, imagine what torres would do with that amount of chances....

dayokanu:
The same Didier Drogba who won the CL for Chelsea? Who in the CL final scored from a single shot on target? Pass the spiff to the left

Lukaku that played a total of 164 league minutes for Chelsea is now squadering chances? Abeg was it in the 164 substitute mins that he was squadering them>?

The clip I showed you where lampard laid on the plate for Torres, Suarez, Demba, RvP would have scored those, what did Torres do with his? He "Cutback" lol How can he get shots when all he is interested in is cutting back and keeping shekpe

jackbauersballs:

All everyone seems to focus on is Torres vs Ba, even when it is now glaring that Ba is not a significant improvement on Torres.
.

jackbauersballs:

Couldn't say it better myself.

A-40:

Ba 4 goals in 2013
Torres 1 goal in 2013

Yes the improvement is not significant indeed

jackbauersballs:
Couldn't say it better myself.

dayokanu:

Demba has more shots in the last 5 games than Torres

In the last 5 games Demba played for chelsea all competitions he had 12 shots 7 on target

In the last 5 games torres played for Chelsea all competition he has 6 shots total and 3 on target

Considering that Demba played 90 mins vs City a tough away game, 76 mins vs Man utd a tough away game . Torres in that time played 90mins vs Boro,and Steau

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jackbauersballs:

Dayo stop being obtuse...Out of thos 5, Ba had 6 shots in 1 game with 4 on target.

Remove that. and his stat is exactly the same - 6 shots, 3 on target.

That suggests that the game was 6 shots was an exception not the norm!

dayokanu:

In fewer minutes vs tougher opponents Demba has scored 4 goals Torres has scored Just 1 and we are to believe he isnt a significant improvement

jackbauersballs:

Dayo you are a certifiable loon
3 of those goals came against Southampton - The 'tougher' opposition currently involved in a relegation battle.
The other goal was against Westbrom

In the last 13 games Ba has played and scored, he has started 9, so what are these fewer minutes you are talking about?

jackbauersballs:

Dayo stop being obtuse...Out of thos 5, Ba had 6 shots in 1 game with 4 on target.

Remove that. and his stat is exactly the same - 6 shots, 3 on target.

That suggests that the game was 6 shots was an exception not the norm!

This means NOTHING...Ba started the game against Brentford and only registered 2 shots.

Only the piffest bud- No stems or seeds. If you come round North London, I can mos def hook you up!

El Guapo:

Well, i wish i'd tell u and u pay heed to my words.

Nando's body language tells the whole story.

Simply put, he's a bad fit at Chelsea.

If he wasn't a bad fit before, then the summer of 2012
certainly pushed him over the edge. We loaded up on attacking midfield talent as Roman chased the tiki-taka dream, recruiting Hazard, Oscar, Marko and Moses to place alongside Mata.

The resulting hybrid of "Mazacar" proceeded to play
some absolutely scintillating soccer across the advanced
midfield line, but lacked a genuine target in the box to
finish off the chances.

Why? Torres was 20 yards from goal, eager to get involved in the silky, creative stuff.

The truth is, Torres has never been an 18 yard poacher like Bent or Raul.
When Nando was at Liverpool, 69% {56} of his goals came from defence-splitting through-balls (via LFCHistory.net). AVB tried that on him before the Mazacar intro but it all failed.

For Nando to respond to pressures by looking exasperated and helpless suggests that its never going to get any better.
At times, it looks like he's scared to shoulder the responsibility of scoring the team's goals, at others it appears he's trying a false-nine tactic witout telling anyone else the plan.

U Wont be playing double standards by admitting that Nando has Failed, put away the Limited goalscoring Chances analysis.

He [Nando] was my favorite 9 while at Liverpool, even in his first season with us - But the more i defended him, the more i was made to Swallow my words!

El Guapo: I Understand how Bad it feels to Concede defeat in an arguement, it looks like ur dignity and reputation have been rapèd In the street!

Then, u'd have to know that the more u make a Mountain out of a self concluded Logical debate, the more Stupiid u Appear.

Torres has failed! I dont need to reside in UK or work for Skysports to tell u that.

jackbauersballs:

Dayo you are a certifiable loon
3 of those goals came against Southampton - The 'tougher' opposition currently involved in a relegation battle.
The other goal was against Westbrom

In the last 13 games Ba has played and scored, he has started 9, so what are these fewer minutes you are talking about?

jackbauersballs: Now this is just rubbish.

You have twisted and squirmed but you have not answered my question.

I ask you again:

Why was Torres getting such a meagre amount of chances at the inception of the MaZaCar project?

Simple question in simple English requiring a simple Answer and not bitter vituperation.

dayokanu:

Why should we remove the game vs West brom? Ok if we do then we rate Demba in away games vs Man Utd, Newcastle abd man Citeh while we rate Torres in games vs Steau, 2nd division Boro and Sparta Prague at home

That sounds very logical to you right?


You expect the same shot when a striker plays Man City and Man Utd away and another plays Boro and Steau?

dayokanu:

But Torres this same time has been playing vs Boro 2nd div, Startak, Steau, Wigan, Reading and QPR- Worse than Southampton and brom and still cant hit water when thrown off a boat

dayokanu:

Simple because he wasnt making the necesary run a striker should be making to get chances. The same ailment that has bedevilled him since last season when there was no MAZACAR and they blames Kalou, Sturridge and Anelka

The same ailment that made him score 7 goals in 27 appearances for the best NT in football

coogar:

i know your standard is very high so i would like to agree with your standard that torres has failed. however, this same high standard of yours should also reveal demba ba has failed as well. you cannot have it both ways. it's either you agree torres/ba have both failed or they have both done well using your high standard.

jackbauersballs:

So what is Ba's excuse for having a similarly apalling shooting rate?

Stats do not lie...

Only a fool argues with numbers.

dayokanu: Simple because he wasnt making the necesary run a striker should be making to get chances. The same ailment that has bedevilled him since last season when there was no MAZACAR and they blames Kalou, Sturridge and Anelka

The same ailment that made him score 7 goals in 27 appearances for the best NT in football

Two things!

Poor Comprehension Skills Or Eye defect - This Jackbauer na total pant compared to the One wey dey pursue terrorist for 24

El Guapo: I Understand how Bad it feels to Concede defeat in an arguement, it looks like ur dignity and reputation have been rapèd In the street!

Then, u'd have to know that the more u make a Mountain out of a self concluded Logical debate, the more Stupiid u Appear.

Torres has failed! I dont need to reside in UK or work for Skysports to tell u that.

El Guapo:


... made it to Chelsea when its obvious everything was out of Place - the flair and Creativity we exhumed under RDM was lost, players morale thwarted and then a Manager that centered his philosophy in Conservativity.

El Guapo: .

Torres has failed! I dont need to reside in UK or work for Skysports to tell u that.