jackbauersballs:

I fail to see what you are driving at.

Do you not get what I am telling you? This is not a case of Ba vs Torres...

Both of them are not utilized effectively under the current dispensation.

For instance...In the Last 6 games, Hazard has had only 1 assist, Mata 2, Lampard 0

In the same time period Hazard has tallied 6 shots, Mata 9 shots and Lampard 13!

Yet in the same time period Torres has 11 shots(5 in one game-Sparta) shots and Ba has 10 shots(6-in one game -Westbrom).

All stats from ESPN.

Now it says a lot when the players who are supposed to be CREATING goals are infact not doing so, but racking up shots on goal to rival and in Lampard's case surpass their Strikers shot tallies!

Strikers under Chelsea will always struggle as long as the Midfielders keep going for personal glory!

This is not about the strikers! Torres is a wasteman! End of tori!

sephia: It's hardly a matter of players looking for glory. The lads have tried. What do you do when your front man wastes all your efforts?
How many times have Mata, Hazard, Oscar, Ramires and Lamps saved our ass? You have a dud who refuses to work you do the job yourself.

Ba has started the last 6 games he has played...Almost the exact same time frame where Lampard has tallied more goal attempts(13 shots) than he has and provided 0 assists. Would you say Ba is a Dud? or Should you be wondering why Lampard would rather go for goal than create chances for his Striker?

You decide.

Ba has 4 goals in 2013 and Torres has just one yet you guys want to put them in the same shoes. A player playing with new team mates and a player already used to his team mates yet you still don't recognize he has fared better. We need a shrink in here

You guys keep shouting about 4 goals as if that is something fantastic

4 goals in 13 appearances is pretty poor by any standards.Especially if those goals are against less-than-stellar teams like Brentford,Southampton, and WestBrom.

Now we know Ba is a fantastic goalscorer, no doubt. But for whatever reasons his performance has dropped since he signed for Chelsea.
How much of this is due to playing for a new side? and how much of this is due to playing under a faulty system?
You decide...

A-40:

This is not about the strikers! Torres is a wasteman! End of tori!

Why does Lampard have more goal attempts than Torres or Ba?

jackbauersballs:
Why does Lampard have more goal attempts than Torres or Ba?

because torres is dud and ba is hamstrung!

sephia: It's hardly a matter of players looking for glory. The lads have tried. What do you do when your front man wastes all your efforts?
How many times have Mata, Hazard, Oscar, Ramires and Lamps saved our ass? You have a dud who refuses to work you do the job yourself.

the lads have tried? what's the meaning of that statement? are they playing for free? please don't make me laugh with this theory. their sole objective is to create goals....xavi and iniesta don't score goals like lampard but they command more respect than lampard or whoever.

Ba has 4 goals in 2013 and Torres has just one yet you guys want to put them in the same shoes. A player playing with new team mates and a player already used to his team mates yet you still don't recognize he has fared better. We need a shrink in here.

ba has one league goal - concentrate on the league not some useless competition where the opponents have their priorities elsewhere.

If our midfielders are so selfish as claimed, how come Drog won the golden boot twice and Anelka once? A player like Van P or Chicharito will win the golden boot with the present set up at Chelsea. Fact.

drogba won the golden boot twice in 8 seasons and had 6 woeful seasons. anelka had one good season out of 4 or 5 seasons. what about kezman? pizarro? shevchenko? forsell? crespo? a player like van persie or chicharito would not score more than 10 league goals in a season at chelsea - the midfielders don't work enough for their strikers.

jackbauersballs:

Ba has started the last 6 games he has played...Almost the exact same time frame where Lampard has tallied more goal attempts(13 shots) than he has and provided 0 assists. Would you say Ba is a Dud? or Should you be wondering why Lampard would rather go for goal than create chances for his Striker?

You decide.



You guys keep shouting about 4 goals as if that is something fantastic

4 goals in 13 appearances is pretty poor by any standards.Especially if those goals are against less-than-stellar teams like Brentford,Southampton, and WestBrom.

Now we know Ba is a fantastic goalscorer, no doubt. But for whatever reasons his performance has dropped since he signed for Chelsea.
How much of this is due to playing for a new side? and how much of this is due to playing under a faulty system?
You decide...

4 goals in 2 months is not a disaster! Tell us how many goals did Torres score in his first two months at Chelsea! Answers on a postcard please

I don't know why you are bringing Lampard into this debate as I wonder what this has to do with Lampard. Are you telling me Lampard is the reason why Torres has scored just one goal in 2013 after over 10 hours of football

The goal against West Brom earned them all 3 points the goal he scored against Southampton earned em a draw! Subtract those goals and Chelsea are out of the top four

coogar:
[size=14pt]ba has one league goal[/size] - concentrate on the league not some useless competition where the opponents have their priorities elsewhere.

Same ol shiit dawg every different day

Here we go again ..........

Was it in Challenge cup that he scored vs Southampton and West brom.

meanwhile Can you tell us how many league goals Torres has in more minutes in the same time frame

jackbauersballs:

I fail to see what you are driving at.

Do you not get what I am telling you? This is not a case of Ba vs Torres...

Both of them are not utilized effectively under the current dispensation.

For instance...In the Last 6 games, Hazard has had only 1 assist, Mata 2, Lampard 0

In the same time period Hazard has tallied 6 shots, Mata 9 shots and Lampard 13!

Yet in the same time period Torres has 11 shots(5 in one game-Sparta) shots and Ba has 10 shots(6-in one game -Westbrom).

All stats from ESPN.

Now it says a lot when the players who are supposed to be CREATING goals are infact not doing so, but racking up shots on goal to rival and in Lampard's case surpass their Strikers shot tallies!

Strikers under Chelsea will always struggle as long as the Midfielders keep going for personal glory!

For your stats in those last 6 games How many minutes did Demba Ba play? Because if lampard played 700mins and Ba played 200mins it definitely makes sense Lampard would have more shots

And who are the opponents Demba ba played against because its basic common sense that one would get more shots vs Lower teams than vs A man City for example.

A-40:

4 goals in 2 months is not a disaster!

Agreed.

It is not a disaster, but it is certainly NOT impressive...

Tell us how many goals did Torres score in his first two months at Chelsea! Answers on a postcard please

You keep missing the point. Torres has not been prolific in front of goal for Chelsea. Then again Neither has Ba. the question now is WHY?

I don't know why you are bringing Lampard into this debate as I wonder what this has to do with Lampard. Are you telling me Lampard is the reason why Torres has scored just one goal in 2013 after over 10 hours of football

Lampard is a creative midfielder for Chelsea...How does he have the highest stats for goal attempts at Chelsea in the last 6 games without creating a single goal?

How can a Striker thrive when his midfielder is hustling for goals instead of creating them?

The goal against West Brom earned them all 3 points the goal he scored against Southampton earned em a draw! Subtract those goals and Chelsea are out of the top four

Nobody is dragging this with you....

dayokanu:
Here we go again ..........

here we go again?
ba has not worked at chelsea - one or two goals, what does it matter? in the same period, sissoko has scored 3 goals for newcastle, he's an attacking midfielder and i am sure cisse has scored more in that period too. they all play with a midfield substandard to MAZACAR.

the question is - what is it about chelsea that prevents strikers from thriving?

dayokanu:
For your stats in those last 6 games How many minutes did Demba Ba play? Because if lampard played 700mins and Ba played 200mins it definitely makes sense Lampard would have more shots

why would lampard have more shots on target than ba even if lampard has spent twice as much time on the pitch? is lampard a striker or have you traded your brains for a plate of peppersoup?

And who are the opponents Demba ba played against because its basic common sense that one would get more shots vs Lower teams than vs A man City for example.

that's sheer stüpidity - a striker would have as many shots against man city as he would have against westbrom. scoring them is the key! what prevents ba from poking shots against city? ineptitude or what? welbeck scored against madrid but failed to score against wigan - by your retårded logic, wigan is tougher than real madrid.

jackbauersballs: Agreed.

It is not a disaster, but it is certainly NOT impressive...


You keep missing the point. Torres has not been prolific in front of goal for Chelsea. Then again Neither has Ba. the question now is WHY?

Why Ba is because Ba has not been played consistently in those 2 months. You dont score when you are not playing.

Scoring 4 goals in those limited appearance and circumstance is outstanding. How many did Ba score when Pappis came 2nd half of last season?

Lampard is a creative midfielder for Chelsea...How does he have the highest stats for goal attempts at Chelsea in the last 6 games without creating a single goal?

How can a Striker thrive when his midfielder is hustling for goals instead of creating them?

Why because he probably played more game. Secondly he doesnt have more assists because the useless Torres keeps wasting them
Look at the clip below and tell me why this isnt an assist for Lampard given the type of ball he fed to the dud


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OqLnwjbavgQ

coogar:

here we go again?
ba has not worked at chelsea - one or two goals, what does it matter? in the same period, sissoko has scored 3 goals for newcastle, he's an attacking midfielder and i am sure cisse has scored more in that period too. they all play with a midfield substandard to MAZACAR.

the question is - what is it about chelsea that prevents strikers from thriving?

Demba Ba has scored 2 goals in less than 400 minutes

Papiss cisse has scored 4 goals in over 800 minutes

Has Demba Ba not worked at Chelsea given the minutes he has played?

dayokanu:
Why Ba is because Ba has not been played consistently in those 2 months. You dont score when you are not playing.

constant playing is an excuse - a good striker would score any time he plays. dzeko and hernandez are living examples. coming as a sub to run against tired defenders and when the game is stretched is even an advantage. ba has no excuse - he's flopped so far.

Scoring 4 goals in those limited appearance and circumstance is outstanding. How many did Ba score when Pappis came 2nd half of last season?

ba was played as a wide player to accommodate cisse. logic dictates the goals would be shared with 2 genuine goal-threats in the team.

Why because he probably played more game. Secondly he doesnt have more assists because the useless Torres keeps wasting them
Look at the clip below and tell me why this isnt an assist for Lampard given the type of ball he fed to the dud

even when ba plays, lampard still does not have assists so what's the excuse?

dayokanu:
Demba Ba has scored 2 goals in less than 400 minutes
Papiss cisse has scored 4 goals in over 800 minutes

Has Demba Ba not worked at Chelsea given the minutes he has played?

of course, he has worked - you know, that papiss cisse has a brilliant midfield like MAZACAR playing behind him at newcastle. can you not see your own stupidity here? chelsea have the best crop of midfielders in the league, they always dominate with the better territorial advantage. they have a better team and a better squad than newcastle. only a tool like you would expect a driver cruising in a passat to beat the lewis hamilton cruising a mclaren!

Constant playing is not an excuse? You mean players are supposed to score when they are on the bench or when they come in 4 minutes to the end of games

Given Demba bas minutes he has done well

How many league goals has Torres scored in his own minutes played this year

jackbauersballs:

Agreed.

It is not a disaster, but it is certainly NOT impressive...

How many goals did you expect? 10,15??
Torres did not score a single goal in his first 2 months at Chelsea. Ba has done 4 times better than that already

jackbauersballs:
You keep missing the point. Torres has not been prolific in front of goal for Chelsea. Then again Neither has Ba. the question now is WHY?

2 goals in 5 league starts may not be prolific but this is only his 2nd month at Chelsea! What excuse do you have for Torres who should be accustomed to the system by now

jackbauersballs:
Lampard is a creative midfielder for Chelsea...How does he have the highest stats for goal attempts at Chelsea in the last 6 games without creating a single goal?
How can a Striker thrive when his midfielder is hustling for goals instead of creating them?

Nonsense! So that is why Torres has only managed one goal in the entire 2013? Is Lampard the only ninja on the pitch

Lampard has always been driven by goals but that didn't stop guys like Drogba and Anelka from winning the EPL Golden Boot an award Lampard has never won despite his hustle

jackbauersballs:
Nobody is dragging this with you....

But you rubbished the importance of the goals questioning the opposition didn't you?

dayokanu: Constant playing is not an excuse? You mean players are supposed to score when they are on the bench or when they come in 4 minutes to the end of games

it is not an excuse - hernandez has 8 goals in 700 mins. ba has 2 in about 400 mins.
do the math!

Given Demba bas minutes he has done well
How many league goals has Torres scored in his own minutes played this year

torres creates goals - ba does nothing.
torres has 3 assists in less minutes than ba has spent on the pitch. assists are as important as goals. if lampard is responsible, it should be the other way. but this is chelsea where strikers provide the assists and midfielders score from them!

dayokanu:

For your stats in those last 6 games How many minutes did Demba Ba play? Because if lampard played 700mins and Ba played 200mins it definitely makes sense Lampard would have more shots

You fail to grasp the point.

Why should Lampard have more shots than ANYONE at Chelsea without creating a single goal? Even if he played 1 million minutes.
His Job is to create, not strike... so why is he racking up more shots than his Striker?
And why is he Chelsea's highest goal scorer in the League despite playing in a withdrawn position behind Torres and MaZaCar?

This tells you that someone is obviously disregarding convention and team shape by charging forward to score....

The same 6 games...and Lampard has more shots than Torres\Ba\Mazacar despite sitting just in front of the back four...

jackbauersballs:
You fail to grasp the point.

Why should Lampard have more shots than ANYONE at Chelsea without creating a single goal? Even if he played 1 million minutes.
His Job is to create, not strike... so why is he racking up more shots than his Striker?
And why is he Chelsea's highest goal scorer in the League despite playing in a withdrawn position behind Torres and MaZaCar?

This tells you that someone is obviously disregarding convention and team shape by charging forward to score....

The same 6 games...and Lampard has more shots than Torres\Ba\Mazacar despite sitting just in front of the back four...

lampard has 11 goals + 0 assists in almost 1300 league minutes.
it begs the question - how can lampard not have a single assist in the league this season. let's even admit torres is a dud for argument's sake - in the games torres has missed, lampard still failed to assist ba or MAZACAR and these fools cannot see there's something wrong with chelsea?

torres has 8 league assists and lampard has 0.
who is the striker? who is the midfielder?

jackbauersballs:

You fail to grasp the point.

Why should Lampard have more shots than ANYONE at Chelsea without creating a single goal? Even if he played 1 million minutes.
His Job is to create, not strike... so why is he racking up more shots than his Striker?
And why is he Chelsea's highest goal scorer in the League despite playing in a withdrawn position behind Torres and MaZaCar?

This tells you that someone is obviously disregarding convention and team shape by charging forward to score....

The same 6 games...and Lampard has more shots than Torres\Ba\Mazacar despite sitting just in front of the back four...

Lampard has more goals because He takes penalties for Chelsea He has 11 league goals how many of them are penalties.

Lampard gets more shots than Torres because Torres is inherently useless.

Did you see the clip I posted? Go look at it and tell me how its Lampards fault that he didnt get an assist or Torres didnt get a shot

jackbauersballs:

You fail to grasp the point.

Why should Lampard have more shots than ANYONE at Chelsea without creating a single goal? Even if he played 1 million minutes.
His Job is to create, not strike... so why is he racking up more shots than his Striker?
And why is he Chelsea's highest goal scorer in the League despite playing in a withdrawn position behind Torres and MaZaCar?

This tells you that someone is obviously disregarding convention and team shape by charging forward to score....

The same 6 games...and Lampard has more shots than Torres\Ba\Mazacar despite sitting just in front of the back four...

You should realize Lampard is on a mad rush to break Chelsea's all time scoring record in what might be his final season at Chelsea! Plus Lampard like Lebron has always been a stats guy please tell us though how come Torres has only scored a goal in the same time period that Ba has scored 4!!!

dayokanu:
Lampard has more goals because He takes penalties for Chelsea He has 11 league goals how many of them are penalties.

Lampard gets more shots than Torres because Torres is inherently useless.

Did you see the clip I posted? Go look at it and tell me how its Lampards fault that he didnt get an assist or Torres didnt get a shot

you must have failed logic in school......
how many penalties has lampard scored from? 11 goals and no assists and it's because torres is useless. this useless torres has assisted 8 goals and lampard has assisted none even in the games torres didn't take part.

dayo - let's be honest, you function on artificial intelligence.

coogar: lampard has 11 goals + 0 assists in almost 1300 league minutes.
it begs the question - how can lampard not have a single assist in the league this season. let's even admit torres is a dud for argument's sake - in the games torres has missed, lampard still failed to assist ba or MAZACAR and these fools cannot see there's something wrong with chelsea?

torres has 8 league assists and lampard has 0.
who is the striker? who is the midfielder?

This has to do with the position Lampard is playing now

Last season when he was playing behind the striker and in a more advanced position He had 5 assists, same with previous years Now he doesnt because his role has changed and he is deeper

How many assist does mikel have? A player that plays as deep in the EPL

A-40:

You should realize Lampard is on a mad rush to break Chelsea's all time scoring record in what might be his final season at Chelsea! Plus Lampard like Lebron has always been a stats guy please tell us though how come Torres has only scored a goal in the same time period that Ba has scored 4!!!

No answer to that Demba ba new guy in town 4 goals, Torres 3 yrs at the club 1 goal

Dayo.

Lampard Vs Ba.

Same time frame. Similar amount of Minutes. Please explain why.

dayokanu:
How many assist does mikel have? A player that plays as deep in the EPL

Dayo you just shot yourself in the foot with this statement.

If a player that plays as deep as Mikel is not expected to have many assists, WHY IN GOD'S NAME IS HE THE HIGHEST GOAL SCORER?

dayokanu:
This has to do with the position Lampard is playing now

you won't keep your mouth shut - instead of admitting your stupidity, you still want to expose yourself to more body blows....deep position? hmmm

Last season when he was playing behind the striker and in a more advanced position He had 5 assists, same with previous years Now he doesnt because his role has changed and he is deeper

can you listen to yourself? from a deep position, which is easier to do? score or assist? are you suggesting lampard has been scoring from 50-70 yards from his deep position? see how you keep exposing yourself as a dullard!!! it's from a deep position that he should even be getting more assists cos a long punt to a striker is a scoring opportunity. lampard plays too deep to create goals but that deep position does not stop him from scoring?

your artificial intelligence status is now fully confirmed!

How many assist does mikel have? A player that plays as deep in the EPL

oh, shut up your mouth bringing mikel into this. mikel plays far deeper than lampard. mikel does not take set piece or maraud forward like lampard does. ramirez plays as deep and bombs forward as much as lampard and he has 4 league assists! dayokanu, stop trying to be intelligent........you fail at it!

jackbauersballs:
Dayo you just shot yourself in the foot with this statement.

If a player that plays as deep as Mikel is not expected to have many assists, WHY IN GOD'S NAME IS HE THE HIGHEST GOAL SCORER?

imagine how slow dayo's thought process is? lampard plays in a deep position - he can score from that deep position but he cannot assist from there? goodness gracious, you do have some simpletons on this forum!

jackbauersballs:

Dayo you just shot yourself in the foot with this statement.

If a player that plays as deep as Mikel is not expected to have many assists, WHY IN GOD'S NAME IS HE THE HIGHEST GOAL SCORER?

Penalties baby penalties. remove lampards Penalties and tell me how many goals he has

dayokanu:

Penalties baby penalties. remove lampards Penalties and tell me how many goals he has

Dayo...The man has converted 5 Pens in the league agreed...but how does he rack up so many goal attempts?

Especially from such a withdrawn position?

Oya Tell me how Lampard's Oju Kokoro will not affect his strikers...

jackbauersballs: Dayo.

Lampard Vs Ba.

Same time frame. Similar amount of Minutes. Please explain why.

Bros How can you say lampard and Demba have similar minutes? No need to embelish now

Va Wigan Lampard played Ba didnt, va Reading lampard played 90, Ba played 1, va Arsenal Lampard played 90 Ba played 11.

Lampard would have almost double of Bas minutes

dayokanu:

Bros How can you say lampard and Demba have similar minutes? No need to embelish now

Va Wigan Lampard played Ba didnt, va Reading lampard played 90, Ba played 1, va Arsenal Lampard played 90 Ba played 11.

Lampard would have almost double of Bas minutes

Dayo, I'm sure you're not illiterate...

I said in their last six games.

From the Man utd game count 6 games played for each of them and you'll see that the minutes played are pretty similar

jackbauersballs:

Dayo, I'm sure you're not illiterate...

I said in their last six games.

From the Man utd game count 6 games played for each of them and you'll see that the minutes played are pretty similar

its a known fact that you take more shots at home than Away and you take more shots vs weaker teams vs Stronger teams

Lampards last 6 games include games vs brentford, Spata and brom all at home, City, ManU and Steau all away

Dembas last 6 games are vs 4 of them were away vs Man utd, City, Newcastle, where shots are expected to be minimal vs reading he played 1 min. The only easy home game vs brom and Brentford he racked up 8 shots

dayokanu:

its a known fact that you take more shots at home than Away

Really? A fact established by who? You?

and you take more shots vs weaker teams vs Stronger team

Ba had 6 shots at Westbrom and only 2 at Brentford. Who is the weaker team again?

Lampards last 6 games include games vs brentford, Spata and brom all at home, City, ManU and Steau all away

Dembas last 6 games are vs 4 of them were away vs Man utd, City, Newcastle, where shots are expected to be minimal vs reading he played 1 min. The only easy home game vs brom and Brentford he racked up 8 shots

Now lets analyze this carefully

In the Brentford game which both Ba and Lampard started, Ba managed only 2 Shots hitting the target once.
Wasteful Lampard took 4 shots, 3 of which failed to hit the target.

At the Westbrom game which both Ba and Lampard started,
Ba took 6 shots, 4 on Target
Wasteful Lampard took 3 shots which failed to hit the target

At the Man utd game which both Ba and Lampard started
Ba only managed 1 shot, while Lampard had 2

At the Mancity game which both Ba and Lampard started,
Ba only managed 1 impotent shot
Wasteful Lampard took 3 with only 1 on target

We could go on and on.

Apart from the Westbrom game,It is very glaring Lampard from a very withdrawn position has been out-shooting the man in the box.

Lampard has not just been shooting instead of passing, he has been failing to hit the target as well!

How can a striker succeed when his midfielder is busy trying to kill unfortunate birds flying over the stadium instead of passing the ball?

No Dayo, you tell me.

I'm sure you've played ball before with a Stingy guy that does not pass.How did you feel?

Now imagine how Torres\Ba must feel playing with 4 clones of that guy.

How dem wan score?

So you dont know home teams tend to dominate more than away team? then what is called home advantage in football?

The lampard discussion na distraction

In the last 5 games Demba played for chelsea all competitions he had 12 shots 7 on target

In the last 5 games torres played for Chelsea all competition he has 6 shots total and 3 on target

Considering that Demba played 90 mins vs City a tough away game, 76 mins vs Man utd a tough away game . Torres in that time played 90mins vs Boro,and Steau

Is lampard the reason why Demba is having double of Torres shots