dayokanu:

So a striker being totally useless in 3 Europa cup games is not enough reason to worry?

How many goals has Torres scored in the 2013 calendar year in all competitions? Please answer on a Postcard.

The year is already about 70 days old

My argument is not directed toward the striker's performance.
It's the consistency in your argument over the past few weeks.

dayokanu:
How many goals has your friend Fernandud scored this season?

in 37 starts all competition. He has failed woefully. 3 Europa league games and he cant even muster a shot on target

this argument is redundant when people focus on goals - chelsea do not use torres as a pure striker tasked to just finish! the number of assists he generates is a testament to that. you cannot ignore his assists - 8 league assists alone from a striker. demba ba for instance hasn't copped that in any 2 seasons combined!

coogar:

this argument is redundant when people focus on goals - chelsea do not use torres as a pure striker tasked to just finish! the number of assists he generates is a testament to that. you cannot ignore his assists - 8 league assists alone from a striker. demba ba for instance hasn't copped that in any 2 seasons combined!

How come Demba ba has scored more goals than Torres in the same time spent at Chelsea?

Between January and now Demba ba has 4 goals in the same time Torres has 1 goal in 970 mins. Demba Ba has 4 goals in 670 mins

Tell us who the failure is

nateevs:

My argument is not directed toward the striker's performance.
It's the consistency in your argument over the past few weeks.

What consistency are you talking about Torres 1 goal in almost 1000mins this year. Compare it to Demba Ba with less time

And see what we have been telling you for ages. Torres is a failed striker

coogar:

this argument is redundant when people focus on goals - chelsea do not use torres as a pure striker tasked to just finish! the number of assists he generates is a testament to that. you cannot ignore his assists - 8 league assists alone from a striker. demba ba for instance hasn't copped that in any 2 seasons combined!

LOL, are you serious? Why does he get positioned as point man then when they go 4-5-1?
He is a striker, what else are you primarily supposed to focus on if not goals?

Good 'ol Abraham did not spend 50 million to have him assist. He was bought to score.
Dem Liverpool guys must have jazzed him when he left.

Cristalz:
LOL, are you serious? Why does he get positioned as point man then when they go 4-5-1?
He is a striker, what else are you primarily supposed to focus on if not goals?

Good 'ol Abraham did not spend 50 million to have him assist. He was bought to score.

Abi ooo. Those are the type of statement that we have been dealing with on Nairaland from your fellow scum. Torres was bought to score goals model jersey run around, Keep shape but not score goals Just Imagine

dayokanu:

What consistency are you talking about Torres 1 goal in almost 1000mins this year. Compare it to Demba Ba with less time

And see what we have been telling you for ages. Torres is a failed striker

Like I explained earlier, my point is not related to Torres.
2 weeks ago you claimed that the reason Demba didn't have a shot on goal is because it was a tight game and that shots on goal were irrelevant.
2 weeks later, it's a valid point to beat someone else with.

nateevs:


Like I explained earlier, my point is not related to Torres.
2 weeks ago you claimed that the reason Demba didn't have a shot on goal is because it was a tight game and that shots on goal were irrelevant.
2 weeks later, it's a valid point to beat someone else with.

You mean a game vs Man City is comparable with games vs Sparta Prague, Steau bucharesti, West Brom Wigan reading that Fernandud played against?

Lateefu e beru Olurun oo

Cristalz:
LOL, are you serious? Why does he get positioned as point man then when they go 4-5-1? He is a striker, what else are you primarily supposed to focus on if not goals?

yes, he gets positioned in the striking role but if you see the heatmap, the floating 3 behind him advance further than him. the tactic is basically hit a long ball to torres with his back towards the goal. he holds the ball and plays a pass to the advancing runners! it's the same way spurs are using adebayor for bale, lennon and dempsey to score goals. 8 assists for a striker who does not take set-pieces? insanity!

Good 'ol Abraham did not spend 50 million to have him assist. He was bought to score.
Dem Liverpool guys must have jazzed him when he left.

that's what £50m can buy him when he surrounds a striker with 3 inverted wingers and not linear ones. the passes should be ahead of torres not behind him. the wingers rarely run the ball to the bye-line like valencia and nani do. they cut in, push torres to the flanks and score!

7 goals and 8 assists? it should be 13 goals and 2 assists or 15 goals and 0 assist!

coogar:
that's what £50m can buy him when he surrounds a striker with 3 inverted wingers and not linear ones. the passes should be ahead of torres not behind him. the wingers rarely run the ball to the bye-line like valencia and nani do. they cut in, push torres to the flanks and score!

7 goals and 8 assists? it should be 13 goals and 2 assists or 15 goals and 0 assist!

How come Demba ba has 4 goals since january and Torres has 1 despite playing more games

An example of the chances Torres wasted yesterday. Check the lovely ball flighted to him and what Torres did with it.

Later we would be told he doesnt get chances. I would make a gif of it when I get home


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OqLnwjbavgQ

coogar:

yes, he gets positioned in the striking role but if you see the heatmap, the floating 3 behind him advance further than him. the tactic is basically hit a long ball to torres with his back towards the goal. he holds the ball and plays a pass to the advancing runners! it's the same way spurs are using adebayor for bale, lennon and dempsey to score goals. 8 assists for a striker who does not take set-pieces? insanity!

I like your imagination .
That's not a tactic; it's the action of a striker who doesn't feel confident enough to go for goal himself, so he stalls and waits for midfielders (for God's sake!) to go ahead of him while he feeds them.
"Advancing runners" indeed. Torres is the main man meant to be advancing - that is the tactic. Feeding a midfielder once in a while is okay, but getting comfy in that imagined "role" is cowardice. Just imagine RVP doing that in every game he plays.
I mean, what striker in his right mind doesn't want goals to his name??

But let's flip the coin and assume that it is indeed a "tactic", which only means one thing. Turning an out-and-out striker, a goal poacher a la Dimitar Berbatov into some dude who waits for "a long ball to be passed to him with his back toward the goal" so he can feed it to "advancing runners" is simply an acknowledgement that this erstwhile goal poacher is now useless in front of goal.

coogar:
that's what £50m can buy him when he surrounds a striker with 3 inverted wingers and not linear ones. the passes should be ahead of torres not behind him. the wingers rarely run the ball to the bye-line like valencia and nani do. they cut in, push torres to the flanks and score!

7 goals and 8 assists? it should be 13 goals and 2 assists or 15 goals and 0 assist!

They learned to do that when time proved that Torres would only ruin their hard work in front of goal. Go figure.
The second reason for that is, they simply do not find Torres in the right goal-scoring position to be passed to.

Then again, I thought you said that was the "tactic"-play the ball behind Torres so that he can hold it then make assists for the other guys advancing ahead of him. Why are you now blaming the wingers for following the tactic?
Make up your mind, Coogar.

dayokanu:



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OqLnwjbavgQ

See lovely "vertical pass from the king of vertical passes.

Cristalz:
I like your imagination .
That's not a tactic; it's the action of a striker who doesn't feel confident enough to go for goal himself, so he stalls and waits for midfielders (for God's sake!) to go ahead of him while he feeds them.
"Advancing runners" indeed. Torres is the main man meant to be advancing - that is the tactic. Feeding a midfielder once in a while is okay, but getting comfy in that imagined "role" is cowardice. Just imagine RVP doing that in every game he plays.
I mean, what striker in his right mind doesn't want goals to his name??

action of a striker? which action?
what a striker does with the ball is dependent of the delivery he gets! hit the ball ahead of him precisely and he has no option that to shoot. hit the ball slightly behind him and he has to hold, beat his marker or hold it till support comes and then slip a pass in their path! have you ever seen mata, oscar or hazard take the ball to the bye-line and drill a cross into the six yard box like traditional wingers do?

But let's flip the coin and assume that it is indeed a "tactic", which only means one thing. Turning an out-and-out striker, a goal poacher a la Dimitar Berbatov into some dude who waits for "a long ball to be passed to him with his back toward the goal" so he can feed it to "advancing runners" is simply an acknowledgement that this erstwhile goal poacher is now useless in front of goal.

that was what pundits like dayo thought of berbatov in 08/09 and 09/10 as well. berbatov copped obscene number of assists while scoring little. if you look at those games closely, berbatov actually operated behind rooney and valencia. berbatov holds the ball, wait for valencia to sprint past him, slips him the ball and valencia would then deliver a peach of a cross on rooney's forehead.......few seasons later(tactics changed), berbatov won the golden boot, an award rooney has never won in england! how can a striker be useless for 2 straight seasons and then win the golden boot? logic-defying, isn't it?

They learned to do that when time proved that Torres would only ruin their hard work in front of goal. Go figure. The second reason for that is, they simply do not find Torres in the right goal-scoring position to be passed to.

they learned to do that because they are poorly trained! wingers should be aiding the lead striker to score. with all due respect, are we saying valencia too cannot cut in from the right, run towards the goal and shoot on sight from the acute angle? it's poor training - the chelsea coaching staff are dire tactically to be allowing such.

Then again, I thought you said that was the "tactic"-play the ball behind Torres so that he can hold it then make assists for the other guys advancing ahead of him. Why are you now blaming the wingers for following the tactic?
Make up your mind, Coogar.

the question should be why are fans blaming torres for not scoring? if the chelsea coaching crew are happy with the way things are then the fans should be too. don't blame torres for not scoring, blame the tactics! a striker should not be making more assists than he's scored - it begs the question, who is torres assisting? these are not assists from set-play like van persie, rooney or suarez........they are all from open play! if torres is assisting as many as 8 - is he still a "striker" in the sense of the most advanced player?

i need answers.........

yawn,them don turn our thread to beer parlour

dayokanu:
How come Demba ba has 4 goals since january and Torres has 1 despite playing more games

which 4 goals? ba has 2 league goals and no assists - how many goals and assists has torres in the same period in the league?

An example of the chances Torres wasted yesterday. Check the lovely ball flighted to him and what Torres did with it.
Later we would be told he doesnt get chances. I would make a gif of it when I get home

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OqLnwjbavgQ

that was a brilliant cut-back - unfortunately, chelsea players are daft. torres would have been crowded out if he had done the predictable thing there......so he cuts back cos he knew keeper was already off his line. if his teammates read the situation well, that's a tap-in into the empty net.

it's just like saying pirlo's back pass for zambrotta in 2006 to eliminate germany was idiotic! no, it's not - torres did that to take the goalie and the defenders out of the equation. see his reaction after cutting back - he expected the other dunces to react but they were all ball watching!

coogar:

which 4 goals? ba has 2 league goals and no assists - how many goals and assists has torres in the same period in the league?

Demba ba 2 league goals 2 cup game goals

Torres 0 league goals 1 cup game goal

Tell us why Torres is still failing when compared to Demba ba. In the same club with the same service

that was a brilliant cut-back - unfortunately, chelsea players are daft. torres would have been crowded out if he had done the predictable thing there......so he cuts back cos he knew keeper was already off his line. if his teammates read the situation well, that's a tap-in into the empty net.

it's just like saying pirlo's back pass for zambrotta in 2006 to eliminate germany was idiotic! no, it's not - torres did that to take the goalie and the defenders out of the equation. see his reaction after cutting back - he expected the other dunces to react but they were all ball watching!

Cut back? Torres was released free on goal all he needed to do was jab the ball one touch and what did the did do? he cleared it back out of danger. What a dunce

dayokanu:
Demba ba 2 league goals 2 cup game goals
Torres 0 league goals 1 cup game goal
Tell us why Torres is still failing when compared to Demba ba. In the same club with the same service

demba ba has failed even more than torres......i computed their contribution the other night. torres has been directly involved in 15 league goals this season, ba only has goals and no assists. logic knows he would have scored about 5 league goals in the same period at newcastle!

Cut back? Torres was released free on goal all he needed to do was jab the ball one touch and what did the did do? he cleared it back out of danger. What a dunce

jab which ball? there's no accuracy in jabbing!
he would miss it if he jabs - he has little time to bring the ball down, aim and hit the target in one fell swoop. he knew the goalie was coming off the line and he intelligently cut the ball back for an onrushing player to tap into the net......

let me show you a similar goal - giggs/rooney against arsenal @ highbury! watch at 1.17sec. intelligent players do the unpredictable - see rooney's cutback and giggsy's sublime finish. i am sure a fool would say why didn't rooney shoot first time when he got the ball?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QKAPdB_4fu4

coogar:

demba ba has failed even more than torres......i computed their contribution the other night. torres has been directly involved in 15 league goals this season, ba only has goals and no assists. logic knows he would have scored about 5 league goals in the same period at newcastle!

Someone who scored 4 goals in less time has failed yet a fellow striker who scored 1 goal in the same time has excelled?

Pass that blunt to the left

dayokanu:
Someone who scored 4 goals in less time has failed yet a fellow striker who scored 1 goal in the same time has excelled?

Pass that blunt to the left

goals alone is not productivity..... creating goals is as important as scoring goals. if torres is not scoring, he's creating. when demba ba isn't scoring, he's not assisting.

[img]http://gifsoup.com/view/4574553/torres-fail.html[/img]

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http://gifsoup.com/view/4574553/torres-fail.html

dayokanu: [img]http://gifsoup.com/view/4574553/torres-fail.html[/img]

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http://gifsoup.com/view/4574553/torres-fail.html

The guy should trade places with David Luiz. Torres will make a good defender.
Good news for Torres fans, he has the 2nd highest selling jersey at Chelsea this season. At least that is an achievement.

DP

[size=18pt]'Coaching Chelsea Is Very Easy' - Grant Piles Pressure On Benitez[/size]

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The Israeli says the resources at the disposal of the Blues means that all a manager has to do is focus on winning, but believes the Spaniard will last until the end of the season.

Avram Grant has declared managing Chelsea is easy, adding to the mounting pressure on interim boss Rafa Benitez.

The Israeli, who guided the Blues to a Champions League final defeat in 2008 during his stint, claims Benitez should be doing a better job, but does not feel the under-pressure boss will be sacked before the end of the season.

“I don’t think Rafa Benitez will be replaced any time soon,” Grant told The Sun.

“But, let me tell you something, coaching at Chelsea is very easy."

“It’s way easier than coaching West Ham, for instance, because you have a very big budget and top players to choose from. All you have to do is go after the win.”

The Israeli has been earmarked as a possible replacement for Benitez should owner Roman Abramovich feel the need to relieve the Spaniard from his duties before the end of the season, but the former Portsmouth boss is wary of a negative vibe sweeping the club.

“Things aren’t going well at Chelsea,” he added. “They have made huge investments but the mood there is not good."

“They can’t be happy when they are not challenging for the league."

“They don’t like being in the Europa League and their players are not dreaming about being in that final."

“Their motivation would have been much greater in the Champions League.”

http://www.goal.com/en/news/9/england/2013/03/08/3807723/coaching-chelsea-is-very-easy-grant-piles-pressure-on

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This muchacho coogar has lost all rep on here because of torress . . . A cutback!!! ? Jesu Christi!

^^^^ lol...cut back ,switch back , pivot verticals . bloody what else ? Cross back?

I'm sure coogar is joking...how can you call that a cutback?

denzel2009: I'm sure coogar is joking...how can you call that a cutback?

superb cutback!

lalaboi: This muchacho coogar has lost all rep on here because of torress . . . A cutback!!! ? Jesu Christi!

shut up, lalaboi.
your opinion on football matters are nothing to write home about!

@coogar
What's with u and the fool called torres, abi the guy dey give u cuts from his weekly wages ni. Seriously just stop defeding wat is not torres is poor on the pitch forget his past performances.Moreover all this words u invented in defending underperforming torres time for u to keep dem in ur dictionary abeg. mtcheewwww

atiku07: @coogar
What's with u and the fool called torres, abi the guy dey give u cuts from his weekly wages ni. Seriously just stop defeding wat is not torres is poor on the pitch forget his past performances.Moreover all this words u invented in defending underperforming torres time for u to keep dem in ur dictionary abeg. mtcheewwww

how's demba ba fared as replacement? he fired blanks again today until MAZACAR came to chelsea's rescue. what is to blame? the strikers or the system itself?

then again, if there's any doubt that lampard should leave chelsea, today's game is a reminder that lampard hampers chelsea's attacking might! what a difference mikel made when he came on!!!

choi, we should have ended united once and for all tonight.

I dont feel good about that return leg, more so, do away goals count? if yes that would be good for us

After 90minutes against United at Old trafford, I came to the following conclusion:
1. The spirit of Champions is still with the team
2. Benitez is intelligent, he just doesn't want to succeed with chelsea
3. Uncle Frank needs to take a seat and let the boys play
4. Mikel is a must
5. Mazacar is still the best combo
6. Juan Mata is world's best
7. Cech needs to know he can be replaced
8. Torres must have a rare terminal disease we don't know about. And finally,
9. FA cup is our birthright

The Chelsea fans singing 'We'll
race you back to London' at Old Trafford made my night.