Beaf:

I hope you don't mind the necessary edit?

Sorry, but Nigerians abroad did not travel out to save the country, so their working double has nothing to do with Nigeria. They are working double because they went abroad either ill-equipped or with no plan, but travelled with the sole purpose of improving their own lives (and none other). 90% of them would have made much more money in Nigeria with the attitude that saw them dare the odds to try out a life abroad.

With belief, each of us can pitch in and make Nigeria great, instead of running off to foreign lands.

Beaf: I hope you don't mind the necessary edit?

Sorry, but Nigerians abroad did not travel out to save the country, so their working double has nothing to do with Nigeria. They are working double because they went abroad either ill-equipped or with no plan, but travelled with the sole purpose of improving their own lives (and none other). 90% of them would have made much more money in Nigeria with the attitude that saw them dare the odds to try out a life abroad.

With belief, each of us can pitch in and make Nigeria great, instead of running off to foreign lands.

ogugua88:

I wouldn't expect you to have much clue, Reno.

90% of them would have made more money in Nigeria? Maybe, probably not, but there are Nigerians who prefer clean money that they work for, rather than political handouts. Integrity and dignity versus shame and illegality.

ogugua88:

I wouldn't expect you to have much clue, Reno.

90% of them would have made more money in Nigeria? Maybe, probably not, but there are Nigerians who prefer clean money that they work for, rather than political handouts. Integrity and dignity versus shame and illegality.

Beaf:

Please don't call me Reno. Those who foist false id's tend to be unintelligent and you are not.

I will repeat again that 90% of those who left would have made more money and been happier if they had remained in Nigeria. It is only lazy people that think that politics and corruption are the sole routes to wealth. Nigeria is brimming with opportunity, but for some reason (I put it dpwn to national low self-esteem) Nigerians are blind to the bounties around them.

I recall you blamed the President, all well and good, he is the boss. I am sure though, that where you are in the US, you would be more circumspect. Reason? You know that your municipal govt bears responsibility and exists for a purpose, as do your state governor, reps and senators.
It is the lazy way out to point fingers at GEJ. And you know it.

Beaf: Some people never fail in their constant striving to come across as id!ots.

However, people from African and African Caribbean communities, including those of white and black mixed ethnicity, can face additional problems which may affect their mental health. Everyday life has a big impact on mental health, and black communities in the UK are still more likely than others to experience problems such as bad housing, unemployment, stress and racism, all of which can make people ill.

People from African and African Caribbean communities are more likely than others to be admitted to hospital for mental illness.

Both past and recent research suggests that some groups – notably Black Caribbean, Black African and other Black groups – are over-represented in psychiatric hospitals. [7]

The high number of African Caribbean people being diagnosed with schizophrenia is well documented, with some studies reporting between two to eight times higher rates of diagnosis compared to the White population. [8]

...

Men from Black Caribbean, Black African, and other Black groups were more likely than other groups to have been detained under the Mental Health Act 1983. The figures follow the same pattern in all the ‘Count me in’ reports from 2005 to 2009. [12]

Beaf: Lazy people will never see the brimful of opportunities in their own country, but would rather blame others and make id!ots arguments that keep deviating from the topic.
Many Nigerians abroad are suffering, whereas they would have been raving successes at home for 1/10th of the self-abasement and slave sweat they have to put in abroad. Mental homes are filled with black people, because of the sheer horrors of their existence abroad.



http://www.nhs.uk/Livewell/Blackhealth/Pages/Mentalhealth.aspx



http://www.nhs.uk/Livewell/Blackhealth/Pages/intropage.aspx

If any of you is thinking of travelling to Europe or the US, better think twice before you start sounding frustrated and making only incoherent arguments.

There is solar energy in Nigeria - untapped.
There are waterways - untapped.
Agriculture (yes, plant yams, cassava, cocoa etc) - untapped.
Precious stones - untapped.
Interpersonal relationships - untapped.

I could fill pages with opportunities that either cost very little or nothing to go into in Nigeria. Why people are too lazy to see these things is entirely their own fault and that of their immediate environment. They have grown up to expect gifts from Abuja. It doesn't work that way.

Beaf: Lol! Sudden silence from the loud diversionery "commando!" (you know yourself).
Maybe he is a mental patient afterall!

I will advise Nigerians that it would be the gravest error of your life to up and go to the US or Europe without a water tight plan. You could very easily end up mad like very many of ours unfortunately have:


http://www.mind.org.uk/help/people_groups_and_communities/statistics_3_race_culture_and_mental_health

Beaf: ^
Dude, you need to be specific with your words. All I can see are generalisations that count for nothing, eg "You mentioned a lot of industries that require a lot of start up capital."
Firstly, that is your opinion which is not backed up in any way, secondly you did not mention a single industry that needs a lot of start up money (none of those I mentioned do, by the way).

Please be specific, because meaning is getting lost in the vast amount of stuff you typed.

Katsumoto:

There is a lot wrong with this post Beaf

1. The government is responsible for setting macroeconomic policies which are meant to stimulate the development and growth of industries

Katsumoto:
2. Even when opportunities are identified, an entrepreneur must still make a profit. And you can only make a profit when your revenue is greater than your costs. For instance, China has 30% of global rare earth deposits but 80% of the market. Why is that? Because it is cheaper for an entrepreneur to mine rare earth in China than anywhere else. In countries where infrastructure is in a developed state, an entrepreneur is not guaranteed to make a profit let alone in a country like Nigeria where the non-existence of infrastructure increases your costs astronomically. How can an entrepreneur make a buck in a country notorious for graft, lack of power, and infrastructure?

Katsumoto:
3. You mentioned a lot of industries that require a lot of start up capital. How are individuals supposed to find the necessary capital to mine precious stones. Even in Germany, the government had to subsidized the firms that tap solar power to sell to the grid at above market price

Katsumoto:
4. You turned your attention to Nigerians in diaspora forgetting that there are millions of Nigerians who are still living in Nigeria below globally accepted poverty levels. Why aren’t those Nigerians taking advantage of those opportunities? You keep making these statements about Nigerians all depending on Abuja. That is not the case; travelling through Nigeria, one can see the hardship being felt by millions who get up every day to work and provide for themselves and their families but with little to show for it.

Katsumoto:
5. Yes there are opportunities in Nigeria but it appears that only those who are in government together with their friends and families are reaping from those benefits. Any monkey can make millions in Nigeria supplying very basic products such as toilet paper or pencil if the monkey in charge is his friend or uncle.

Katsumoto:
6. The Nigerian educational system has been failing the Nigerian economy and people for almost 25 years. Nothing is being done to address that. How do you expect people to see opportunities when they lack basic education. Yes there are very rare people who have the ability to make a buck even without education but other factors are at least present. How can a man strategize properly when he has to get up very early to go to work, pay through his nose for transportation, sit in traffic for hours, work for over 10 hours, return home through traffic only to find there is no electricity when he gets home. If Steve Jobs were a non-connected Nigerian, Apple would be just be a fruit.

Katsumoto:
7. There is no level playing field in Nigeria. The current Nigerian government, just like other governments before it, is not doing nada to address these serious issues. If you want to accuse Nigerians of being lazy or visionless, then the Nigerian government must first do its part to ensure the development of the Nigerian economy.

Katsumoto:

You mentioned precious stones, waterways, solar energy, etc. All those require huge capital. Perhaps I am mistaken; please break it down how all those industries dont require huge capital. For instance, how do you mine precious stones without huge capital?

BTW, I see that you are trying to evade many of the points raised.

Katsumoto:

You mentioned precious stones, waterways, solar energy, etc. All those require huge capital. Perhaps I am mistaken; please break it down how all those industries dont require huge capital. For instance, how do you mine precious stones without huge capital?

ekt_bear: Yeah...selling a story of your typical African immigrant having made a poor decision is about as credible as the OP's title.

And if you are someone like me who specifically even as a child was interested in something that is only available here...well, for such people, your story is simply comical.

Beaf:

The bolded is an example of the laziness I am talking about. What exactly needs huge capital? You've simply taken one look at being responsible, then collapsed and died. You didn't even try to think of aspects of precious stones, waterways, solar energy that you could get into for next to free off charge.

There are many things under your nose, a very simple example is creating potable drinking water with solar energy - costs next to zero and much less than a ticket to the US (and much less than madness). Another is generating fuel/electricity from waste (you go to toilet init? ). etc etc etc

Recently, we reported on Marines and their deployment of GREENS solar-power for technological devices on the battlefield. Soon after publishing that article, Gizmag was contacted by World Water and Solar Technologies (WWST) and told us about the company’s placement of solar-powered water purification units throughout the world, but in particular, in war-torn Darfur, Sudan. Working with the Humanitarian International Services Group (HISG), the company has installed two high-volume Mobile Max Pure (MMP) water filters that use the sun for their power. Each unit can generate up to 3.5kW of solar electric power and provide 30,000 gallons of clean drinking water for the many thousands of civilians living in displaced persons camps. Each filter was placed in a carefully selected location where it could do the most good.

Most times, the MMPs are left behind for the indigenous population to utilize when the military deployments leave. This enables crop irrigation for increased food security and population health and also provides increased potential for local employment for system maintenance, security, etc.

Maintenance on an MMP unit costs around US$5,000 per year, which is the unit’s only expense because of its total reliance on the solar power for pumping, purification and power (if enabled).

Potable (drinking) water is, arguably, Iraq’s most precious and scarce resource, says Burns. Water flowing from a newly installed solar powered water purification units means the difference between health and disease for thousands of Iraqis in the Fallujah District of Al Anbar Province.

Most people receive drinking water from wells or directly from the Euphrates River, which is contaminated. Local authorities say the MMPs will be crucial in preventing diseases like cholera and bilharzia (a parasitic disease that causes diarrhea) that strike vulnerable population groups, especially children. In Fallujah, the system does not require a water distribution network as it is designed as a storage tank whereby people come to the site for water drawn directly from the unit. Burns says some other sites are considering means by which clean water can be delivered to homes via tankers thus extending the reach of this potable water source.

The units – costing around $1.3 million in equipment and shipping – were donated anonymously following an ePRT Fallujah’s Weekly Report article citing the shortage of potable water in the area.

To date, seven units have been installed by the ePRT and Marines of Regimental Combat Team One throughout the Fallujah District. The goal is to install another five units in the next few months.

Most people lack imagination for industry and there is a pervasive inferiority complex aflicting the nation that stops people from harnessing their culture and environment because it is "local." You tell many people there is money in cassava and they want to kill you, because they lack self-belief.
The average Nigerian feels that the only way to make money is to work for govt or in a bank. They do not believe they can make money by thinking.

The education system is a failure, only because of the mentality of the average Nigerian. Failure is like a living thing that breeds failure after failure. Nigerians lack organisation and the ability to think critically, what we are witnessing is the amplification of these things as they "blossom" from generation to generation. It all stems from mental laziness and low self-esteem.

No one needs a level playing field to think and conseptualise. Yes, the FG needs to create a conducive environment; but that requirement falls even more on the LG and state govts. No one seems to question LG's and state govts and demand that responsibilities be met, the simple reason is the lazy mind that see's loads of money in Abuja which very strangely blinds them to the need to demand development, accountability and opportunities from their grassroots govt.
The Nigerian is a big problem.

Katsumoto: Beaf

You are simplifying the process of starting a business in Nigeria. Its a lot more difficult than you are making it to be.

Please pick one of the examples you gave and provide a high level overview of the process involved in starting up. Assume the entrepreneur is a graduate with 3 years post qualification experience.

I suspect you are raising all these points about Nigerians being lazy, etc simply to absolve the government of significant blame in the whole mess.

Nigerian governments of the past have failed, the current government is also failing. No amount of passing the buck can mask that.

Beaf: I see the usual pigs and lazy fools like oyb cannot think. It takes a special sort of lazy fool to equate solar energy with solar cells.
Again, it boils down to the inferiority complex I talked about. People think the only way of doing things is the way the white man has done it.
There are a thousand ways to harness solar energy and a thousand purposes outside electricity.

Many Nigerians are indeed a problem.

Katsumoto: Beaf

You are simplifying the process of starting a business in Nigeria. Its a lot more difficult than you are making it to be.

Please pick one of the examples you gave and provide a high level overview of the process involved in starting up. Assume the entrepreneur is a graduate with 3 years post qualification experience.

I suspect you are raising all these points about Nigerians being lazy, etc simply to absolve the government of significant blame in the whole mess.

Nigerian governments of the past have failed, the current government is also failing. No amount of passing the buck can mask that.

Katsumoto: Beaf

You are simplifying the process of starting a business in Nigeria. Its a lot more difficult than you are making it to be.

Please pick one of the examples you gave and provide a high level overview of the process involved in starting up. Assume the entrepreneur is a graduate with 3 years post qualification experience.

I suspect you are raising all these points about Nigerians being lazy, etc simply to absolve the government of significant blame in the whole mess.

Nigerian governments of the past have failed, the current government is also failing. No amount of passing the buck can mask that.