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Re: Why Is England More Developed And Stable Than America? by Nobody: 6:48am On May 27, 2012 |
low self esteem is for govt hangers on whose only source of income is playing comical ali on social media what is wrong with the sort of Nigerians who have so little gray matter that they constantly make excuses? ehen this problem was in 1914, ehn this problem was rilwanu lukman, ehn this problem started before me |
Re: Why Is England More Developed And Stable Than America? by ektbear: 6:52am On May 27, 2012 |
I thought that we established already on previous threads that solar isn't competitive as a source of energy (aside from very niche cases)? So why on earth do you keep bringing it up? |
Re: Why Is England More Developed And Stable Than America? by Nobody: 6:57am On May 27, 2012 |
ekt_bear: I thought that we established already on previous threads that solar isn't competitive as a source of energy (aside from very niche cases)? the guy is a govt spokesman, what do you expect, this is the sort of thinking from govt officials - white elephant projects that end with money wasted a new members of the criminal elite my mgt have been pushing me to investigate use of solar energy as an alternative source of power within some of our facilities - but the cost is terrible . in the end, you can only use solar energy for low power applications every other day some hustlers in the cloak of beaf come with some high falutin proposal about how we can replace our generators with solar energy we can provide you with a FULL TIME 24 hour solution to power a facility with an energy footprint of 15kVA - and it will be more cost effective than generator/phcn never mind the first fallacy in their argument - in a country of crazy bills there is no proper benchmark |
Re: Why Is England More Developed And Stable Than America? by Beaf: 7:20am On May 27, 2012 |
^ You should be sacked for being a fool. Someone else would do a better job with lateral thinking. Ode. ekt_bear: I thought that we established already on previous threads that solar isn't competitive as a source of energy (aside from very niche cases)? You never established that with me. Maybe with a couple of lazy boneheads like oyb. Solar energy is cheap and has a tousand uses except to the unimaginative. We seem to have an abundance of that type in Nigeria. |
Re: Why Is England More Developed And Stable Than America? by ektbear: 7:23am On May 27, 2012 |
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cost_of_electricity_by_source After reading that article and consulting the tables therein, nobody should ever suggest solar again as a viable fuel source... |
Re: Why Is England More Developed And Stable Than America? by Beaf: 7:30am On May 27, 2012 |
ekt_bear: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cost_of_electricity_by_source Mental laziness at work again. Solar insolation is not the same in the UK, France and other places where that data was sourced is quite different from the near Sahara desert temperatures we get in Nigeria. What is wrong with people? |
Re: Why Is England More Developed And Stable Than America? by ektbear: 7:32am On May 27, 2012 |
sighhhh lol somebody else explain to him, i don't have time to explain the basics to people who cannot read information and think through its implications. Oyb, you are an engineer by training, please teach |
Re: Why Is England More Developed And Stable Than America? by Beaf: 7:37am On May 27, 2012 |
It is all largely down to economies of scale, says Jenny Chase, head of solar analysis at BNEF. In 2011, enough solar panels were produced worldwide to generate 27 gigawatts, compared with 7.7 GW in 2009. Chase says solar power is now cheaper than diesel "anywhere as sunny as Spain". That means vast areas of Latin America, Africa and Asia could start adopting solar power. "We have been selling to Asia and the Middle East," says Björn Emde, European spokesman for Suntech, the world's largest producer of silicon panels. Over the next few years he expects to add South Africa and [b]Nigeria [/b]to that list. http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg21328505.000-indias-panel-price-crash-could-spark-solar-revolution.html This will help some people think. A little more thought will show them how to do it even cheaper and avoid an air ticket to madness in the West. As usual, foreigners see it before the lazy fools that are quick to groan and grimmace. I really pity the state of Nigerian minds. It is disgraceful. |
Re: Why Is England More Developed And Stable Than America? by Nobody: 8:03am On May 27, 2012 |
if solar energy is so cheap, how come it is heavily subsidised? http://uk.reuters.com/article/2012/05/24/uk-britain-solar-cut-idUKBRE84N0TF20120524
http://theenergycollective.com/node/84838
http://www.telegram.com/article/20120526/NEWS/105269983/1116 China's allegation that renewable-energy subsidies in five U.S. states, including Massachusetts, violate free-trade rules is ratcheting up a potentially costly trade war between the world's two largest economies. |
Re: Why Is England More Developed And Stable Than America? by Nobody: 8:08am On May 27, 2012 |
Beaf: this is from beaf's article
note the highlighted. |
Re: Why Is England More Developed And Stable Than America? by Nobody: 8:12am On May 27, 2012 |
http://www.economist.com/node/21532285 THE rush to subsidise solar power over the past decade has been massively wasteful and squalidly political. Nowhere is this more obvious than in the sorry saga of Solyndra, a Californian maker of novel tubular solar panels down the maw of which the Obama administration shovelled $535m in the hope of “green jobs” and photo ops. It got instead mismanagement, bankruptcy and scandal. The money wasted on Solyndra, though, is as nothing compared to the tens of billions of euros squandered on solar panels in Germany. So little electricity do these panels produce under its cloudy northern skies that the emissions from a single large coal-fired power station are enough to nullify all the benefits that their carbon-free contribution might bring. The green jobs they, too, were meant to bring are largely, though not entirely, in China. |
Re: Why Is England More Developed And Stable Than America? by Beaf: 8:12am On May 27, 2012 |
Poor daft oyb, always giving excuses to remain a mentally lazy, screaming awuf luv'n leach. I've never seen a more bedragled cockroache. Imagine giving reasons to remain wretched even when spoonfed with ideas. This is exactly why the country remains underdeveloped. It might also sound strange to the oyb's that they can also run solar powered boats, solar airconditioning etc. People just want to remain awuf luv'n phucks. |
Re: Why Is England More Developed And Stable Than America? by Nobody: 8:20am On May 27, 2012 |
most importantly, and completely over the heads of the likes of beaf, is the cost of storage of energy solar panels are only one cost. consider a home with a load of 12kva you will require at least 12 200Ah batteries to store electrical energy. a good deep cycle 200a dry cell battery is at least n55,000 - thats n660,000 give or take a year, and you WILL have to replace the batteries, as their efficiency will fall thats n660,000 per year not including the N3-4 million(conservative) cost of procuring solar panels etal. so a pure solar solution will come to n5 million or more for a domestic consumer that can afford it. the hybrid -inverter/solar solutions are not much better only an fg snake oil salesman will say different |
Re: Why Is England More Developed And Stable Than America? by member479760: 8:23am On May 27, 2012 |
they are still enjoying the stolen wealth, their end is soon. |
Re: Why Is England More Developed And Stable Than America? by Beaf: 8:24am On May 27, 2012 |
The best oyb can do is give excuses for his stup!dity and lack of imagination by name dropping when enough proof has been provided of his mental laziness. I didn't even know the clown was an engineer until ekt bear mentioned it. What a pity! If some engineers act the fool and are blind to creativity, what hope is there for the country? Here is another tale from India where some are free to be creative and not dream of Abuja oil or how to buy an air ticket to go and suffer like fools abroad with the high chance of ending up in a mental home as I posted (with proof) earlier. Many Nigerians are running mad abroad out of this foolish lack of imagination and inability to harness what is under our noses. Imagine ekt bear posted stuff that mostly had to do with Europe and the US, yet he was talking about solar energy. Oyb has stup!dly posted extracts to show that solar energy is not cheap in the UK. Why would it be when snow falls there? Some people are abysmally unimaginative and low self-esteemed. Why else would anyone compare solar energy in a temprate climate with that in a tropical one. Isn't that daft and mentally lazy? [size=14pt]Indian villagers' lives transformed by new energy delivery system[/size] http://www.guardian.co.uk/global-development/poverty-matters/2012/jan/16/india-solar-power-system |
Re: Why Is England More Developed And Stable Than America? by Nobody: 8:28am On May 27, 2012 |
1.The UK is more economically stable than the US. Despite a recession , there are still Jobs , though the pay may not be as attractive. 2.There are less poor people in the UK than America, America is ravaged with the homeless and underprivileged more than any other western country 3. In the UK you do not need to work 4-5 Jobs just to pay for your rent. 4. I will never live in America, a superficially debt ridden , vain glorious nation. 5. We are more healthy than the Americans, obesity is not the norm like we have in America. This means we are in the long term more economically productive. I will add a few more as we go along |
Re: Why Is England More Developed And Stable Than America? by Nobody: 8:29am On May 27, 2012 |
Beaf: Poor daft oyb, always giving excuses to remain a mentally lazy, screaming awuf luv'n leach. oga afro pseudoscience, are you so daft, stoopid or just like your master that cannot counter anything i posted? all across the world, solar energy is heavily subsidised because everyone is hoping it will pan out in the long run. see beafs solar powered boat solution this is what the joker thinks will work on an industrial scale this is the sort of roadside consultantcy we can expect from beaf i mean come on, the only thing the likes of beaf can be consulted on is internet smear campaigns of the crude beer parlour fishwife kind "gej good ogbeni bad!" |
Re: Why Is England More Developed And Stable Than America? by Nobody: 8:33am On May 27, 2012 |
Beaf: The best oyb can do is give excuses for his stup!dity and lack of imagination by name dropping when enough proof has been provided of his mental laziness. I didn't even know the clown was an engineer until ekt bear mentioned it. What a pity! Each household that signs up to their service receives two LED lights and one mobile-charging point in their home at a cost of 25 rupees (£0.301) per week. The setup cost is an additional one-off payment of 40 rupees (£0.4cool. "This is the kind of price point that the majority of them can afford," Sandeep Pandey, MGP's operations manager, explained. wow! this is fantastic - i'm off to get mine now! this solution will power my tv, fridge, pc, washing machine , freezer is this the best sort of dosh that you can come up with how many times were you dropped on your head, or are you naturally this stoopid? |
Re: Why Is England More Developed And Stable Than America? by Beaf: 8:34am On May 27, 2012 |
oyb: Lol! Can anybody believe this fool is an engineer? Anyway, you must have gone to the same school as becomerich and studied "electricity engineering!" Can anybody imagine someone calling himself and engineer, yet he is afraid of solar energy. The twerp has to lie and compare Nigeria near the Sahara to England near the North Pole!!!! I've had a serious dose of comedy this morning! Oyb engineer, can you even make a pepper grinder? |
Re: Why Is England More Developed And Stable Than America? by Nobody: 8:35am On May 27, 2012 |
see beafs solar ac http://archive.psfk.com/2010/06/solar-powered-air-conditioning-could-cut-energy-consumption-in-half.html These are exciting times for those who dreamed of solar powered air conditioning, with two different products offering this technology recently launching in the market. note that the ac still requires electricity - you think you can get 7000watts worth of solar energy just like that? small time beaf will try to flog a 'fuelless generator or perpetual motion machine' can anything good come out of our federal govt? |
Re: Why Is England More Developed And Stable Than America? by Nobody: 8:35am On May 27, 2012 |
BTW, the Federal Republic of Germany remains the most developed and advanced country in Europe, followed closely by Switzerland. England is not even in the top 5 most developed european countries. Also Germany is one of the few european countries that were not affected by the global economic recession. Finally, the US is light years ahead of the UK so comparison is ridiculous. England in particular is like a huge refuse dump compared to most western and northern european countries. Their only saving grace is the English language. England should be compared to Belgium and Italy in terms of advancement not US or Germany. |
Re: Why Is England More Developed And Stable Than America? by ektbear: 8:37am On May 27, 2012 |
Beaf. That electricity is 3X or 4X the price of the alternatives when generated by solar in say the US should suggest that it isn't going to be economically feasible in Africa either. It isn't as if we get 3X or 4X the sun in Africa as they do in the US. There aren't 60 or 70-something hours in an African day, lol |
Re: Why Is England More Developed And Stable Than America? by Nobody: 8:37am On May 27, 2012 |
Beaf: dude you have been weighed measured and found to be an empty headed noisemaker i have thoroughly humilated you and shown you up as an empty headed buffoon and noisemaker - you may post your gas chamber quote now, i know you're hurting |
Re: Why Is England More Developed And Stable Than America? by odumchi: 8:37am On May 27, 2012 |
13volts: We had a very long discussion on this issue in office today. England as a country is not known to have any mineral resources, I hardy see any manufactured product MADE IN ENGLAND despite the fact that they are our colonial master. The only major investment in Nigeria that is traced to England is BP. There are a lot of things that affect the relative prosperity of both the Uk and the US. However, I think it's stretching the bar to say that England is mpre developed than America. First of all, by "England" do you mean England the kingdom or the United Kingdom the nation? I'll assume that you're referring to the UK. You're first question: 13volts: Why do we have less poor people in England compared to AmericaWell, population is a factor. The US (300 mllion plus people) has about five times the population of the UK (around 60 million people), so definately if poverty is 2% in America, it would amount to a greater amount of people than 2% in the UK. Maybe you should ask about the poverty to population ratio in these countries. Second question: 13volts: Without a huge manufacturing base like in America, China, Germany or Japan. How do the British manage to sustain a vibrant economy and at the same time avoid the recession ravaging Europe and America? The United States does not have a huge manufacturing base. Its economy is based solidly on services. The recession that affected (and is still affecting) Europe and America was most apparent in mainland Europe since most of the continent used the Euro while the UK had the pound. Third question: 13volts: 3. We have many blacks in England, they hardy made their presence known globally except in the EPL. Most noticeable black personalities in the world are from America, in music, movies, sport and what have you. Are the blacks in England marginalized or what? why are they not making waves as their counterparts in America? Again, this is a question of population. America has roughly 30 million blacks which is half of the UK's population. There are more blacks in America therefore, their impact on their nation is definately more noticeable than those of the UK. Besides, America has its own native population of blacks, whereas the British blacks are mostly African or West Indian. |
Re: Why Is England More Developed And Stable Than America? by ektbear: 8:38am On May 27, 2012 |
Long story short, it isn't cost-effective to generate electricity from solar, except for some very special cases. So it is stvpid to be telling someone not to emigrate to the US and go harvest sun in the Sahara desert, or whatever it is that you are advocating. That represents an unprofitable, money-losing, poverty-inducing business. Not one that is a good way for someone to make their living.. |
Re: Why Is England More Developed And Stable Than America? by Beaf: 8:41am On May 27, 2012 |
oyb: What a fool! You said you couldn't make money with solar. You said you couldn't do business, even when I showed that many of those who go abroad end up with mental issues. You wanna make money? I've shown you ways, but you are giving excuses to remain eternally lazy! I've shown you the way someone is doing it India and you can only think foolishly about your fridge instead of thinking about what villages you can take the idea too, so you can make money without awuf. Dude, why can your tv, fridge, pc etc not run on solar energy sef? Isn't it just because you are phucking mentally and physically lazy? The sun is out there burning holes in your damn skull everyday, yet you aren't ashamed to say you cannot think up any use for it. Yet you are an engineer? Oyb, can you make a common pepper grinder? What a lazy fool! |
Re: Why Is England More Developed And Stable Than America? by ektbear: 8:42am On May 27, 2012 |
Solar is a lot more expensive than the alternatives, is the point. |
Re: Why Is England More Developed And Stable Than America? by Nobody: 8:43am On May 27, 2012 |
Bandit C.: The US is on the verge of economic and moral collapse !! England in particular is like a huge refuse dump compared to most western and northern european countries. And yet Nigerians are tripping over themselves to come here For your info, England is the financial capital of the world and one of the greatest places to shop worldwide. Their only saving grace is the English language. Wow that's an achievement surely, without them you will be chatting in yoruba on this forum , making it almost impossible to understand the Igbos for example or Efik. England should be compared to Belgium and Italy in terms of advancement not US or Germany. Has this got to do with a bad experience with the UK border control agency |
Re: Why Is England More Developed And Stable Than America? by Beaf: 8:43am On May 27, 2012 |
ekt_bear: Beaf. That electricity is 3X or 4X the price of the alternatives when generated by solar in say the US should suggest that it isn't going to be economically feasible in Africa either. Abeg, you've been talking rubbish since morning and giving reasons to remain lazy. "3X or 4X the sun in Africa" Indeed! Where is this "Arica?" And why do you think you need to bloody transmit your solar energy? Why can it not be to power your AC? People are loud and daft. |
Re: Why Is England More Developed And Stable Than America? by ektbear: 8:44am On May 27, 2012 |
It is probably cheaper to use a gasoline/diesel generator to generate electricity than to use solar. At least in yankee, you get a subsidy for solar. In Nigeria, no such thing exists I would rather build a factory in Nigeria and run it on diesel than run it on solar. In both cases, I'll probably be losing money. But I lose less with diesel.. |
Re: Why Is England More Developed And Stable Than America? by Nobody: 8:44am On May 27, 2012 |
ekt_bear: Long story short, it isn't cost-effective to generate electricity from solar, except for some very special cases. unless you are angling for an fg contract to supply power to villages i have been trying to juggle all sorts floodlighting solutions using solar energy you can get them, but 1) its low intensity, and they are unlikely to run through the whole night i had a discussion a few years. someone was building an estate and wanted to power it via solar energy. it took me less than a minute to kill it. forget homes - how do you power a school with solar energy? the simple use of inverters in homes means turn off all acs , irons, heaters etal and set everything to energy saving mode |
Re: Why Is England More Developed And Stable Than America? by Roland17(m): 8:44am On May 27, 2012 |
@OP, You must be on the wrong pill... |
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