coogar: this is what we are asking MAZACAR to do - if it was hazard on that ball, he would either carry that ball to the edge of the box and fire a shot or keep dribbling till he gets tackled by a defender and the chance would be lost. hernandez is not a superman - he relies on his midfielders to play to his strength and feed him the ball to score. until chelsea start doing this, torres would not score goals! football is a team sport not about individuals.......

dayokanu:
Mata leads the league in assist, How come he has been able to assist others but not FernanDUD

coogar:

is this an argument?
so because mata leads the assists chart means he has assisted torres? how many of those assists are from set pieces? lump the ball into the box and hope a chelsea player(defender, attacker, midfielder) makes contact and score. now what's the probability that scorer would be torres? did you really pass quantitative analysis in your primary school? i don't think you did!

dayokanu:
Lump the ball into the box and how come Torres is the only one not benefitting? How come Van Persie who is of similar height and build to Torres scores from set piece headers and Torres cant? In the Chelsea lineup Torres is one of the tallest plays regularly yet cant benefit from set piece headers.

So Mata selects the people he assists and deliberately ignores Torres? If Torres is in position he would ignore him and pass back to Chelsea half for Ivanovic to score because he hates Torres.

Or what are you insinuating? Mata assist others but not Torres?

coogar:

you are a disgrace......
how many goals has van persie scored from a set piece in comparison to torres? man utd scored from 2 corners over the weekend, how many of them were scored by van persie and rooney? evra has scored from 2 corner kicks this season - it then means evra is better than van persie? it then means johnny evans is better than rooney? surely fletcher must also be better than hernandez at set-pieces......you see why people think you are a tool?

mata has only 6 assists in the league.....majority of them are from set pieces which means other players also have equal chance from scoring with mata's assists. on the top of my head, torres scored from a mata assist against arsenal @ the emirates......it was from a set piece!!

what a stupïd question
has torres ever scored from a mata assist before? that's the million dollar question. mata has only 6 assists in the league - which means he has only created goals 6 times from his passes and 4 of those assists are from set pieces(general market)! how has torres done wrong here?

dayokanu:
So Van persie is expected to score from every set piece and Torres not expected to score from any?

Those ONLY 6 assists are the highest in the league. Every striker in the league score from these set piece only FernanDUD is exempted from scoring goals, because they dont serve it to him on a plate

Torres doesnt score from General market, he can only score from specific market customized to him alone

dayokanu: It was Lampard, malouda and Drogba fault he failed

It was Iniesta, Xavi and fabregas fault he is a bench warmer for Spain

Its now Mazacars faults he cant cut it in the new look Chelsea

nateevs: On the Torres argument, Coogar endeavours always, to make granular as well as pictorial and interactive analysis where possible. The default state of an intelligent mind is to review his analysis and discuss if they are right or wrong. Instead, it is met by dogmatic, beer-parlour like counter-arguments like "sebi he was bought for £50m", "before it was Malouda and Lampard" and sometimes you just wonder what the point is. You cannot help but conclude, each time Coogar makes a case, he makes sense.

I have not seen anything on a consistent basis from the anti-Torres campaign that engages the mind on a intellectual level. Like Coogar states forever, if Hernandez was a Chelsea player, he won't come close to his tally for United.

nateevs: On the Torres argument, Coogar endeavours always, to make granular as well as pictorial and interactive analysis where possible. The default state of an intelligent mind is to review his analysis and discuss if they are right or wrong. Instead, it is met by dogmatic, beer-parlour like counter-arguments like "sebi he was bought for £50m", "before it was Malouda and Lampard" and sometimes you just wonder what the point is. You cannot help but conclude, each time Coogar makes a case, he makes sense.

I have not seen anything on a consistent basis from the anti-Torres campaign that engages the mind on a intellectual level. Like Coogar states forever, if Hernandez was a Chelsea player, he won't come close to his tally for United.

coogar:

don't mind the goats.....
they all ran away after explaining what we meant by "playing to nando's strengths".......

dayokanu:

Doesnt it worry you that in the last 2 years no midfielder has been able to understand Torres?

6months ago you and coogar assured us that whenever Mata is played behind Torres his issues would be solved, that has been done and he has failed again

Initially you told us Lampard and other mechanical players were the problem that once technical players like Hazard, oscar Mata were bought, the Torres of Liverpool might be back. Till now everything has been done and still failed.

The best midfielders in Xavi, iniesta have been accused by you and coogar of holding on to the ball for too long that doesnt work with Torres.

So someone posting pictures of Hernandez means nothing. Ibime posted gifs of chances wasted by Torres lack of anticipation here.

If you are half intelligent you should see that hernandez getting those balls are 1 Based on the delivery, 2 based on his anticipation. Hernandez would never get those balls if he is working counter to the midfielders, MAZACAR centers the ball but Torres is running to the wings, And you now end up blaming the midfielder?

One thing we see here is Mata, Hazard and oscar have been successful with other players in the last 2 years, Torres hasn't been successful with any particular player / set of midfielders in the last 2 years.

Now deploy your senses and tell us who the problem is with?

dayokanu:
How would anyone play to Torres strenght when he doesnt have any?
What is Torres strength in the last 2 yrs

And don't come up with insane things like vs barcelona when he was free on goal unchallenged from 60yards. Cos how many times in a lifetime would a striker be unchallenged and have a 60yards run on goal

coogar:

you are a tool.....
hernandez receiving the ball is based on delivery(i have never seen MAZACAR hit a 30 yard pass directly into torres' feet) then you mentioned anticipation? what's anticipation? are you aware these players actually train everyday of the week and they work tactics. hernandez upfront with his midfielders deep in their half - of course, he knows any long ball would be aimed at him and he has a chance of scoring because he has at most 2 markers or one marker to beat!

with torres - na lie!
even when ramirez wins the ball, he travels with the ball - delays the pass or gives it to MAZACAR cos ramirez does not trust his precision/accuracy with the long pass. MAZACAR then delays the pass even further with sëxy touches - all this while, the defence has reorganised itself and torres has been crowded out - even if he receives the ball by now, he would run into a clusterfuck of defenders and the chance is lost!

football is not ambiguous to analyse - only tools blame torres for misfiring. if hernandez were to be a chelsea player - he would struggle to score 5 goals all season and he would be the media scapegoat till he's sold to swansea! the bottom line is - every striker has its own unique attribute - it's up to the midfielders to find what works with their centre forward.....unfortunately, MAZACAR haven't found how to get the best out of torres!

go and watch euro 2012 again and compare xavi's passes to torres with the dross he gets @ chelsea.

dayo, study those gifs i posted......
use your church mind to measure the position of the ball when the final ball was made. the range is between 25-55 yards from goal. you really think those passes are coincidence? seriously? these things have been drilled in training - why haven't we seen a long pass from MAZACAR to torres and we are 33% of the season gone already? is that torres fault too?

nateevs: On the Torres argument, Coogar endeavours always, to make granular as well as pictorial and interactive analysis where possible. The default state of an intelligent mind is to review his analysis and discuss if they are right or wrong. Instead, it is met by dogmatic, beer-parlour like counter-arguments like "sebi he was bought for £50m", "before it was Malouda and Lampard" and sometimes you just wonder what the point is. You cannot help but conclude, each time Coogar makes a case, he makes sense.

I have not seen anything on a consistent basis from the anti-Torres campaign that engages the mind on a intellectual level. Like Coogar states forever, if Hernandez was a Chelsea player, he won't come close to his tally for United.

coogar:
torres is the arrow-head for feck's sake - how would the ball get to him without the help of his team-mates? i ask again - would torres take the ball from cech and dribble his way to opposition box and score all by himself? is this after(O.J.O.)??
you watched the game against city - please tell me, how many chances did chelsea create for torres from open play? i kept hoping chelsea were going to float a ball in torres' direction just once but it never happened and yet we just expect him to score.......
you watched united's game this weekend - with the crap midfield, how many goals have van persie and rooney scored in the last 2 league fixtures? how are they going to score when the chances are far and in between? without anderson's power drive and the killer pass, would chicharito have scored? when was the last time any chelsea midfielder fed torres with precision like that?
this is what we are asking MAZACAR to do - if it was hazard on that ball, he would either carry that ball to the edge of the box and fire a shot or keep dribbling till he gets tackled by a defender and the chance would be lost. hernandez is not a superman - he relies on his midfielders to play to his strength and feed him the ball to score. until chelsea start doing this, torres would not score goals! football is a team sport not about individuals.......

mbulela:

source pls??

I Laid Off the Thriller and there u go with the Source Question!

I hate Journalists like Ya though am On course to be One

Ibime: How many one-on-one's did Torres have with Kompany and Kolarov on Sunday? He didnt have to pace to get away. Old Torres would have escaped from them. 920 minutes with no league goal.

Abeg make una leave these silly guys. Torres issue is a non-issue. They watch football with emotions. That's why a complete dud like Torres will continue to get their support for two years straight because they are emotionally predisposed to him, whilst a complete performer like Lamps will continue to get their criticism year-in, year-out for 5 years straight because they are emotionally opposed to him.

Doesnt it worry you that in the last 2 years no midfielder has been able to understand Torres?

6months ago you and coogar assured us that whenever Mata is played behind Torres his issues would be solved, that has been done and he has failed again

Initially you told us Lampard and other mechanical players were the problem that once technical players like Hazard, oscar Mata were bought, the Torres of Liverpool might be back. Till now everything has been done and still failed.

If you are half intelligent you should see that hernandez getting those balls are 1 Based on the delivery, 2 based on his anticipation. Hernandez would never get those balls if he is working counter to the midfielders, MAZACAR centers the ball but Torres is running to the wings, And you now end up blaming the midfielder?

dayokanu:

Doesnt it worry you that in the last 2 years no midfielder has been able to understand Torres?

Ibime: I think the "flurry of passes" Daniel Sturridge received in 15 minutesagainst West Brom have already proved who is not making the run.

Some of these analysts are paper footballers. Which player starts spraying passes in the direction of a marked man who refused to free himself from his markers. Can you imagine the nonsense some of these paper footballers are coming up with? They want you to post gifs of flurry of passes made to a marked man. hehehe.

coogar: ..why are people so daft or deliberately want to be thick because they have lost an argument?

nateevs:
Torres' problem can only be solved by Torres himself.

nateevs: you should instead analyse if by playing MaZaCar behind Torres, the passes have really come in numbers.