Ibime: Please ignore the mad dog coogar. He is suffering from mental illness in London. His parents need to come and take him back home and chain him in the backyard like some of our peers who got "sent back home"

coogar:

except that he does not - if he's doing so how come ba has no european standard of a goal assist in 2000+ league mins of football and the "inferior" torres has 4?

when you do something twice, it's no fluke.
torres had 2 stellar seasons for liverpool - 07/08 and 09/10. i dunno where you got your 08/09 and this fool would soon say he knows european football like the back of his hand.

he bagged a golden boot with those 7 goals - ahead of ronaldo, rooney, gomez, mandzukic, benzema, van persie, etc how did he achieve that?

short spell? 8 weeks is a short spell?
3 of those goals were against southampton - the other one against west brom! chelsea didn't sign ba to score against weak teams. where's ba when tough opposition play chelsea?

he did nothing - torres influences the game far more than ba!
ba is not an improvement on torres. in the hierarchy of strikers in chelsea, ba is the last with lukaku occupying a distant 2nd position from nando torres.

dayokanu:
Since january Ba has 2 league goals Torres has 0. All season Ba has 15 league goals Torres has less than half of that. Strikers job is to score goals and Torres has failed miserably at it.

2 stellar season in a career of more than a decade? He has only scored more than 15 league goals twice in his whole career as a top striker in 3 clubs two different countries

The same way Milan baros bagged one and Oleg Salenko bagged one

Torres played severl relegation teams he couldnt score. Ba scored against West brom the team 8th in the league table. Weak team? the same team that beat Chelsea how many times in the last 2 seasons?

I am sure Torres would be laughing at you. Torres 7 league goals is better than Demba Ba 15 league goals and Lukaku 13 goals.
Surely Torres is better

Look in the mirror Im sure your image would be laughing at your stupidity

dayokanu:

This is exactly the same thing Demba Ba does and even did yesterday watch both Chelsea goals and tell me Demba ba didnt play a huge part in them.

jackbauersballs:

As such he is not mandated to create goals for his team mates. Mind this is not saying he does not offer more than goals - He occupies Defenders and draws them out to create space for his team mates.

Why is Torres not delivering for Spain since 2010? Is it Chelsea thats also the problem with Spain? Torres has always been a mediocre striker, Most people are stuck with a romantic idea and dont want to give it up In this case assuming Torres is able, the fact is he had a fluke 2008-2009 and has returned to his old self.

in the last 3 years he has failed for club and country. 7 goals in 27 appearance for country the most creative football nation alive is a disaster.

Show us where Torres has been succesful in the last 3 yrs.

Ba in his short spell at Chelsea has 4 goals , 2 in the league Torres in the same time as Demba Ba has one solitary goal vs Brentford. how does Demba ba score and Torres cant in the same team?

Demba Ba does this regular, still did less than 24hrs ago

jackbauersballs:
Since we are asking nonsense questions, How has Hazard scored more than Ba in the same team?

jackbauersballs: Name one other club where the midfielders have more goals than the actual strikers.

I don't understand this rubbish...Torres has not been successful for Spain since 2010? The same Torres that won Golden Boot at Euro 2012 with three goals and one assist, having played fewer minutes than Mario Gomez, who also had three goals and one assist?

Now let me tell you something about Spain and Barcelona - they are the most DEFENSIVE sides known to man - Very conservative with passing and play a style known as Defending by Possession. Torres is a poacher - The poacher thrives on the through ball.

Spain/Barca are more likely to complete 20 short passes before launching one through ball - Torres is more of a Counter Attacking sort of player.

Are you talking about the same Torres that scored the winning goal against Barca last season and won the Champion's league with Chelsea? That same Torres?

Since we are asking nonsense questions, How has Hazard scored more than Ba in the same team?

coogar:

since ba's arrival at chelsea, mata, hazard and lampard have all scored more goals than demba ba. i ask again, how has he improved chelsea? is it that dayo is a rētard or what?

dayokanu:
Show us How Hazard and Mata has scored more goals than Demba Ba since he got to Chelsea

How would Demba Ba improve Chelsea when Fernandud still occupies the Space. Give Demba ba the run of 20 games Torres had and I tell you their position and goal returns would be better.

I am sure Chelsea has scored more goals in Games Demba ba started than in games Torres started since january 4

coogar:



shut that cesspit you call a mouth, you homoerotic cünt!
which man utd did you shit on? a game of 2 halves is shitting on united? the other game at the bridge, it was a mismatch, united won that without stress. the carling cup game was a disaster for chelsea. united's reserves practically played you off the park till MAZACAR were introduced and yet you still needed the help of a referee to conjure a penalty kick from nowhere to force the game to extra time.

the difference between both sides = the difference in the points accrued. united have 71 points, chelsea have what again? argue with that fact - the league table never lies. if you are currently below spurs with your world class midfield then it's either you are foolish or your world class midfield isn't world class after all.

Ibime: Please ignore the mad dog coogar. He is suffering from mental illness in London. His parents need to come and take him back home and chain him in the backyard like some of our peers who got "sent back home"

coogar:

you are missing "league" goals or are you blind?.

dayokanu:

Spurs, Arsenal you need more?

Succes to you is 7 goals in 27 games for a Spanish NT striker?

In this same system David Villa has scored bucketload of goals before the leg breaking incident. How is David Villa able to do it and Torres a complete failure at it.

Minus Torres goal Chelsea would still have qualified so thats not the winning goal, Ramires was. Won Champions league? Playing what role? He was as useless as anything in the CL run. When we are talking of people who won the CL forr Chelsea King Drogba, Cech, Lampard, Cashley, Ramires, Mikel, Luiz, Terry, Ivanovic, Mata etc not Torres, Kalou or bertrand

Show us how Hazard has scored more than Demba Ba in the same team, I forgave you for the earlier Falcao and Ronaldo assist dont push your luck too far.

dayokanu:
Show us where you typed league goals or show us how hazard has scored more "league" goals than Demba Ba

ayusco: Torres golden boot? 2 goals against the mighty Ireland and the other goal n assist against already beaten 10 man italy? Okay o

dayokanu: Who has more goals Hazard or Ba?

Please clarify what you mean, Are you asking of Ba Newcastle + Chelsea or you expect Demba Ba to have scored more goals than hazard in 2 months at Chelsea?

Torres has a Champions league medal just like Djimi Traore, Ryan bertrand, Oshea. Only that he was useless in winning it

How can Cazorla be Arsenals attacking outlet, have you been watching games?

Tiki taka Spain is not Torres Style, Chelsea is not Torres style So whats his Style? GANGNAM Style? cheesy

jackbauersballs: I must say, I have to agree with Coogar on this one.

Even if Jesus came down to wear the number 9 shirt for us, he would never succeed with the kind of players we have.

It is IMPOSSIBLE to play a lone striker in a Winger-less system and expect him to bag them for fun.

Torres and Ba have been forced to play as False nine's very similar to Messi at Barca, unfortunately they both lack the movement of the great Argentine (Possibly because he is a converted winger?)

Agreed, Torres has been pants since he moved. But what excuse do we have for Ba?

A-40:

Lol plenty actually! Has he been at Chelsea for even 2 months??

Has he even started 3 games in a row since joining them? You are working with an extremely small sample size here to judge Ba as a flop

Even with the rotation and chopping and changing 4 goals is not a bad return considering the quality of opposition Ba gets his starts against

El Guapo:

Lol - Broda I tire, not even Up to 2 months and here are some Jews Selling a 'Blind conception'!

Coogar, Jackbauer, Debosky and Nateevs, I'd Love to Know why Rafa has decided to reserve Nando for the trivial games and Ba for the Crackers - Present a Sound Logical Reason that answers the Question and i vow to Shut it on this debate!

A-40:

Lol plenty actually! Has he been at Chelsea for even 2 months??

Has he even started 3 games in a row since joining them? You are working with an extremely small sample size here to judge Ba as a flop

El Guapo:

Lol - Broda I tire, not even Up to 2 months and here are some Jews Selling a 'Blind conception'!

Coogar, Jackbauer, Debosky and Nateevs, I'd Love to Know why Rafa has decided to reserve Nando for the trivial games and Ba for the Crackers - Present a Sound Logical Reason that answers the Question and i vow to Shut it on this debate!

El Guapo:

Lol - Broda I tire, not even Up to 2 months and here are some Jews Selling a 'Blind conception'!

Coogar, Jackbauer, Debosky and Nateevs, I'd Love to Know why Rafa has decided to reserve Nando for the trivial games and Ba for the Crackers - Present a Sound Logical Reason that answers the Question and i vow to Shut it on this debate!

mithel: in the midst of all the nonsense been spewed here, you guys forgot to talk about how we shitted on Man utd's midfield ,someone say kagawa,ifahear , we have played man utd thrice this season,we have shited on that midfield thrice, layer we go dey hear say na dem they create chances pass (yeah yeh, i know na brain fart talk am ,but still) ,if we had been clinical in front of goal in all those games,man utd would have had repeats of their 6-1 demolishing at the hands of city three times from chelsea,overated team with mostly stuuoopid fans

debosky: ^^ What do you mean by 'directly' involved? Did he provide the assist or did he score?

dayokanu:
Demba Ba does this regular, still did less than 24hrs ago

dayokanu:

Their positions are slightly different

Jackbauer - Demba and Torres suck because Stikers suck in Chelsea generally

Debosky- Agreed, Torres is dud but Demba ba is also Dud

Coogar - Actually Torres has been excellent in Chelsea while Demba ba is a failure

Nateevs - Anything the above people say is right

Lmao Conspiracy Theory - Let the games Begin Jare

jackbauersballs:

I dont know about the other guys, but I do not know what debate you are on about...

El Guapo:


Ok. Lets say its not a debate, why would Rafa start Ba in those big games ahead of Nando?

I Just wanna know