When discussing GOD, LOVE and the subject of EVIL, man's help culpable for the entrance of EVIL into this world. What is Satan's role then?

Funny Christians.

mazaje:

Have you ever seen the devil by meditating?. . .

do i need him to see him?

hisblud: do i need him to see him?

So, basically you're asking us to take a road you've never been on. Wonderful.

And when we come back and tell you the road led nowhere, you say we are wrong, we probably didn't drive at the right speed, or drive the right distance.

Insightful.

plaetton:
Na wa.
This quite new from the stable of religilous rabble babble.
I thought Christianity was reading the bible and accepting Jesus by faith. Up till now, i never heard that transcendental mediation was a requirement. I thought that was new age Buddhism.
I new stuff everyday from no Christians.

"Neglect not the gift that is in thee, which was given thee by prophecy, with the laying on of the hands of the presbytery. Meditate upon these things; give thyself wholly to them; that thy profiting may appear to all." (1 Timothy 4:14-15).

hisblud: do i need him to see him?

You have never seen him but yet you are here telling me to meditate and call unto his name and i will see him. . .Why tell people to do things you have never tried?. . .

mazaje:

I tire. . .Satan is already trying to destroy men according to the story, when isn't he in central Abuja or Lagos bargaining for souls?. . .God they say remains hidden because of free willm what about satan?. . Why does he remain invisible when all of them believe he exist already?. . .Why is he hiding?. . .

he has already by the blindness you have

"But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost: In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them." (2 Corinthians 4:3-4).

^^

The same gods of this world that blinded your minds to the divine revelation of the Koran, no?. . .Is satan only invisible to unbelievers?. . .

Image123:
Because they are not visible to human eyes, duh. Ever heard of infrared or spectrum or planes of sound or vibration that humans can't readily access using just the 'five' senses?

Yes , we have heard of them.
And what's more, we have intruments that can help us detect these things.
Can we cay the same thing for god, satan and spirits?

mazaje:

So infrared and spectrum of planes are supernatural because we can't see them?. . .The devil is invisible because?. . .Why must he be invisible when people already believe he exist?. . .Does that make any sense to you?. . .Is the devil omnipresent?. . .

This mazaje seems a little different from the one i used to know. Anyway, to each question in its order.
Infrared and spectrum are not supernatural, they are invisible.
The devil is invisible because he is a spirit and spirits are normally invisible like oxygen, infrared and sound.
He was not initially invisible because of people(irrespective of their beliefs). He was and is invisible because he is a spirit being.
Yes, it makes perfect sense to me as i do not have the defect of having to see things to know that they exist.
There is nothing to suggest or affirm that the devil is omnipresent.

mazaje: ^^

The same gods of this world that blinded your minds to the divine revelation of the Koran, no?. . .Is satan only invisible to unbelievers?. . .

Satan rather deceives unbelievers by blinding them from the glorious light of the gospel of Christ. It is the light of the gospel that will make you not ignorant of his devices.

dare2think:

Ok Grammer troll, once again do not obfuscate, lets stick to the subject.

You can't attest to what you have no idea about. 'Spirits are invisible', yet you have no idea how or why!

Do not make assertive statements if you can not back it up. This is not a church congregation where you are fed nonsense without being respected enough to inspect properly.

Perhaps you need to broaden you own capacity to learn and,at the very least, be sincere enough to admit you know nothing about your 'spirits' that are invisible.

Atheism should not erode your civility and sanity, stop calling me names. Now, why do you have two hands(if you do)?

Image123:
This mazaje seems a little different from the one i used to know. Anyway, to each question in its order.
Infrared and spectrum are not supernatural, they are invisible.
The devil is invisible because he is a spirit and spirits are normally invisible like oxygen, infrared and sound.
He was not initially invisible because of people(irrespective of their beliefs). He was and is invisible because he is a spirit being.
Yes, it makes perfect sense to me as i do not have the defect of having to see things to know that they exist.
There is nothing to suggest or affirm that the devil is omnipresent.

OK. . .What form of shape do spirits have?. . .How do you know that the devil exist? Have you encountered him personally? has he ever spoken to you, contacted you in any way?. . .beleivers all over the world blame satan for many bad stuffs and ascribe to him many bads things, believers in USA and Nigeria all blame satan for tempting them, at this very moment I know that there are believers in Ghana and South Africa blaming satan for many things. . .How can satan be in USA and igeria at the same time without him being omnipresent?. . .

@hisblud and Image123:

I find it very very interesting that the two of you champions of faith, are bolding asserting on this forum, that one needs deep meditations to perceive and see the grace of god, satan and spirits.

That is simply mazing, as you may be right.

So,my big question is:
In simple honesty, How do you stand up and argue, in simple language, without contradicting yourselves, majaze's and other atheist's repeated assertions that:

god, satan and spirits are things conjured up deep inside the minds of the religious faithful?

Seriously, how do you argue against bolded above , when you have said in simply english that we need to go deep inside our minds , through meditations and spiritual exeerises, to see and feel god, satan and spirits?

plaetton:
Spiritual exercises?
Whigh ones?
Would you not be the among the first to condemn such as pagan, heathen witchcraft or satanic?
Are there any that are prescribed in your bible?


Religion na wa!

i said 'spiritism' not 'spiritual'. Google is your friend. You are the one looking for proof, not me. i already know that you will reject the bible if i pointed you to it as proof for satan or spirit existence.
Proverbs 18:1 Through desire a man, having separated himself, seeketh and intermeddleth with all wisdom.

hisblud: Satan rather deceives unbelievers by blinding them from the glorious light of the gospel of Christ. It is the light of the gospel that will make you not ignorant of his devices.

Have you ever seen satan decieving any body or did you hear it from a story?. . .After all according to muslims it is the same satan that is decieving you and stoping you from seeing the glorious light of the Koran which is allah's divine book. .

mazaje: ^^

The same gods of this world that blinded your minds to the divine revelation of the Koran, no?. . .Is satan only invisible to unbelievers?. . .

what is the divine revelation that Christians are blinded to? Satan is invisible to human beings.

mazaje:

Have you ever seen satan decieving any body or did you hear it from a story?. . .After all according to muslims it is the same satan that is decieving you and stoping you from seeing the glorious light of the Koran which is allah's divine book. .

There may be no god but please don't doubt the existence of the Mighty One. We see Him all the time. Believe and you can see him too.

Image123:
i said 'spiritism' not 'spiritual'. Google is your friend. You are the one looking for proof, not me. i already know that you will reject the bible if i pointed you to it as proof for satan or spirit existence.
Proverbs 18:1 Through desire a man, having separated himself, seeketh and intermeddleth with all wisdom.

Huh?
Good logic.
I might reject your proof, therefore there is no need to present it.
I love religious logic!

plaetton:

Yes , we have heard of them.
And what's more, we have intruments that can help us detect these things.
Can we cay the same thing for god, satan and spirits?

Good boy, good. Instruments. Im a similar sense, there are medium or means of 'seeing', communicating and interacting with spirits.

Image123:
Good boy, good. Instruments. Im a similar sense, there are medium or means of 'seeing', communicating and interacting with spirits.

And let me guess: meditation and spiritual exercises, right?
How about opium and other hallucinogens?
Do they work too?

mazaje:

OK. . .What form of shape do spirits have?. . .How do you know that the devil exist? Have you encountered him personally? has he ever spoken to you, contacted you in any way?. . .beleivers all over the world blame satan for many bad stuffs and ascribe to him many bads things, believers in USA and Nigeria all blame satan for tempting them, at this very moment I know that there are believers in Ghana and South Africa blaming satan for many things. . .How can satan be in USA and igeria at the same time without him being omnipresent?. . .

Spirits have spirit-form, huh. It's a different realm, the spirit realm. Its akin to asking the shape of sound, or the form of love, happiness, the length of pity or fear. These things are invisible but are real.i know the devil exists because the bible says he does and describes him and his works. i know gases 'exist'. Not everybody can show that, though it can be shown. There are more than a billion people in the world who are oblivious to the fact that they exhale co2. It doesn't change the fact. I know ions exist, i know bacteria exist, i know hate exists. We can clearly see the effect of these things that are not readily visible to the eyes except through medium. satan is not necessarily responsible for every bad thing. Now, how can president Jonathan be said to construct a road in enugu while he was in abuja during the construction? This people who claim to think hardly think when it comes to religious issues.

@plat god, satan and spirits are things conjured up deep inside the minds of the religious faithful? No! Rather your minds [atheists] are delibrately being manipulated to remain blinded by the great deceiver. While we that are sons of God see the grand manipulation hence we show forth His light in the face of Christ for you to see

plaetton: @hisblud and Image123:

I find it very very interesting that the two of you champions of faith, are bolding asserting on this forum, that one needs deep meditations to perceive and see the grace of god, satan and spirits.

That is simply mazing, as you may be right.

So,my big question is:
In simple honesty, How do you stand up and argue, in simple language, without contradicting yourselves, majaze's and other atheist's repeated assertions that:

god, satan and spirits are things conjured up deep inside the minds of the religious faithful?

Seriously, how do you argue against bolded above , when you have said in simply english that we need to go deep inside our minds , through meditations and spiritual exeerises, to see and feel god, satan and spirits?

satan is the subject of discussion, not God. Take one step at a time in order not to fall and loose some teeth.

plaetton:


Huh?
Good logic.
I might reject your proof, therefore there is no need to present it.
I love religious logic!

You will and have rejected my proof, not might reject. All i need to do is post a bible verse that states that the devil exist or spirits exist. It is memory, not logic.

plaetton:

And let me guess: meditation and spiritual exercises, right?
How about opium and other hallucinogens?
Do they work too?

Try being sober please. i repeat 'SPIRITISM exercises'. You seemed to show interest in communicating with spirits. Are you shy?

Image123:
You will and have rejected my proof, not might reject. All i need to do is post a bible verse that states that the devil exist or spirits exist. It is memory, not logic.

So god, the devil and spirits exists only because the bibles says they exists, right?

plaetton:

So god, the devil and spirits exists only because the bibles says they exists, right?

no. They exist whether the Bible says so or not.

Image123:
Try being sober please. i repeat 'SPIRITISM exercises'. You seemed to show interest in communicating with spirits. Are you shy?

Spiritism exercises?

HHHmmm!
Another new one.

Spiritism, spiritual excersises., or spiritualism.
What's the difference.
Kindly enlighten this ignorant soul.

plaetton:

And let me guess: meditation and spiritual exercises, right?
How about opium and other hallucinogens?
Do they work too?

do partakers of the above meditate?

musKeeto:
So, basically you're asking us to take a road you've never been on. Wonderful.

And when we come back and tell you the road led nowhere, you say we are wrong, we probably didn't drive at the right speed, or drive the right distance.

Insightful.

As you believe 'seeing is believing', therefore i requested you to go that way, since you cant believe until you see. Would you be my guest then?

hisblud: As you believe 'seeing is believing', therefore i requested you to go that way, since you cant believe until you see. Would you be my guest then?

guest at what? satan hunting?!

nnofaith: guest at what? satan hunting?!

do you want to see satan?