Ugwumba:

You probably think that quoting OBJs side of the 'refund' story suffices for the truth. If you followed the course of events, it would be clear that you are the one bending this to suit your motives.

1. OBJ did not just wake up and decide 'oh, this is questionable money and needs to be refunded'.

2. After Dariye made the claims, the Presidency issued a prompt and unequivocal denial.

3. The monies were refunded without retracting the initial denial.

4. We would have been none the wiser that the money had been refunded until this war of accusations started.

5. Where did OBJ think a sitting governor got 100 million naira from? Abetting corrupt practices is in itself corruption.

6. What private sector was OBJ investing in? OBJ muted the idea of Transcorp, invested in a private placement of funds, accepted the listing of a firm with no history on the NSE, and with the connivance of officials in his government, proceeded to acquire government's interests in certain assets.
THIS IS NOT MERELY IMPROPER CONDUCT BUT CORRUPTION!!!!!

1. Irrelevant. Not worth disscusing as that is an opinion not based on facts.

2. Peharps. I'm not aware of that and I havn't seen that brought up in any of the news reports. In addition as is in the world of politics, that would depend on the actual accusation/statement that was denied.

3. See two above

4.It is not your concern that a political party refunds money it does not want to accept. A political party is certainly not required to annouce such.

5. Peharps from his previous jobs as a bussiness man.
http://www.plateaustategov.org/gov_bus/gov_bio.html

6. I'm not sure what you're talking about here. Are you saying that becos OBJ brought up the idea of Trancorp, it is not a private bussiness? You have a critical mind indeed (whatever the hell that's suppossed to mean)

Ugwumba:

You can continue to deceive yourself, but the facts are there for any critical mind to analyze.

You can continue to talk out of your ass. You want to come accross as a factual thinker but, you come accros as pathetic. What part of what you just said are facts? Those conclusions of yours are not based on facts but theories on you've formed in your head.

If the NA indeed interpret that OBJ had broken the Constitution regarding Transcorp then that's the end of that matter.

@ Mariory, i will not even attempt to belittle myself by exchanging personal insults with you. That, as I have discovered, is the last resort of people who cannot stick to an intelligent discourse.

You clearly pick and choose what to read and if it does not favour your kinsman OBJ , is fiction and when it does is fact.

Rather tiring arguing with you on this.

But, on the same basis that Atiku is accused of being corrupt (and i clearly believe he is), OBJ is equally CORRUPT.

Scream till you go hoarse, as tribalists are wont to do, this will remain my central thesis for this discuss.

PS - Along these same lines, your people made MKO Abiola a Nigerian hero - laughable considering his rather corrupt past (although knowing where you come from, this is to be regarded as fiction).

come o!Atiku is not a disgrace at all,i dont buy to that in stead i feel BABA is,

coolskeelz:

come o!Atiku is not a disgrace at all,i don't buy to that in stead i feel BABA is,

stop deluding yourself, Atiku is a crook.

The funny thing is ATIKU is not even denying these allegations all he is doing is sayin he is not alone what a dumb thief,he even waived his immunity. I dont think anybody is saying obj is not corrupt but it is good the head thief is pointing them out now before the elections,he can also be investigated next year by a new efcc hopefully people wont say they're biased then! Impeaching the two of them now wil just be choas for the country,remember what abdulsalam did in just 1year?

Why wait till next year before investigating OBJ ? How many of our past heads of state have been made to account for their graft, after leaving office. TELL ME, HOW MANY?- this is my quarrel with some of you.

And why are you so concerned about Atiku trying to bring OBJ down with him? if there are reasons why OBJ should be brought down, why should i care if it is at the hands of a dying / drowning man? WHY SHOULD YOU CARE!!!

Let them finish themselves - Nigerians will ultimately be the beneficiaries.

There are many reasons to care about the man on the steet ugw,u are not in nigeria man. As things are nobody is payin attention to the works going on in nigeria,they are pre-occupied with themselves,since he waived his immunity he should be investigated and all his evidence against obj should stored til he also waive his immunity or when it run out thats the reason they cant investigate all the gov rite? Are you saying the next president wont have the balls to investigte obj?

OBJ is a greedy pig that needs to be seriously probed, but not by this fruitless EFCC pin heads, A special investigation on OBJ by a newly selected group should take place as soon as possible,

Atiku is not the only one, I think OBJ is a bigger disgrace to Nigerians.

Ugwumba and Big B1, u guys should have known long ago that Odeku and Mariory are typical yoruba people. dont waste your time arguing with them. Dey are behaving as if they are the only yoruba people on the forum. How closely related are they to OBJ sef?? And you know what? The typical yoruba man believes that any thing his fellow yoruba broda does is right, whether good or bad compared to what a non-yoruba man does. So leave the two of them to continue living in their world of tribalism. My mama soup sweet o!!("obe iya mi dun" whether the soup is sour or too salty; that is their case.

Ugwumba:

@ Mariory, i will not even attempt to belittle myself by exchanging personal insults with you. That, as I have discovered, is the last resort of people who cannot stick to an intelligent discourse.

Trying to be a smartass is not your strong point, vis-a-vis the following,

Ugwumba:

You can continue to deceive yourself, but the facts are there for any critical mind to analyze.

Mariory's response

Mariory:

You can continue to talk out of your ass. You want to come accross as a factual thinker but, you come accros as pathetic. What part of what you just said are facts? Those conclusions of yours are not based on facts but theories on you've formed in your head.

Don't start a process you do not like.
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Ugwumba:

1. You clearly pick and choose what to read and if it does not favour your kinsman OBJ , is fiction and when it does is fact.

2. Rather tiring arguing with you on this.

3. But, on the same basis that Atiku is accused of being corrupt (and i clearly believe he is), OBJ is equally CORRUPT.

4. Scream till you go hoarse, as tribalists are wont to do, this will remain my central thesis for this discuss.

5.PS - Along these same lines, your people made MKO Abiola a Nigerian hero - laughable considering his rather corrupt past (although knowing where you come from, this is to be regarded as fiction).

1. That is your opinion and are entitled to it.
2. Yes it's tiring arguing without facts. You tend to end up wandering in the dark.
3. I also believe there are shady things going on in the presidency (both OBJ's and Atiku's camp). To believe is one thing. To prove another. The real world requires proof. The EFCC has provided the proof to back up their allegations on Atiku. Is his alleged crime impechable? The NA will decide. However, it's looking increasenly likely that that ship of his is sinking and he is acting like a slowpoke.
4. Scream as tribalists do? I'll pretend I understand that. You are entiitled to keep that as your central thesis.
5. Again you've gone far of course here. I'm sure you understood what you were trying to say there. I'll pretend I did.

The following proves the point I'm trying to make. I suppose the sun newspaper is also a typical yoruba paper.
http://www.sunnewsonline.com/webpages/opinion/editorial/2006/sept/20/editorial-20-09-2006-001.htm

yes, na oduduwa get the paper.

What's disturbing is the fact that all these things have been happening under the ''watchful eyes'' of EFCC. How do I believe now that EFCC is not biased in their crusade against corruption?

ishmael , your dumb ass has no clue what tribe or who I am, Yes,m I am a Yoruba boy born in JOS plateau state and raised in Port harcourt, I do speak Yoruba fluently as I do Ibo and Hausa. Just because i am Yoruba does not mean i am blind and can not see green light when it says go, my question is ATIKU is guilty, he was exposed by FBI and EFCC, beside him publicly criticizing the president, has any of the current or past senators, governors gone to the national assemble and present a valid case of corruption malpractices by the president? until then zip your basket mouth, we are waiting for someone with balls to present the evidence to the national assemble to probe the president, then we will take side, as for ATIKU the evidence is clear as water and this BASTARD i repeat should be impeach.

as for BIG B!1 we had our differences and we handle it like a man, as a matter of fact he will be waiting for me at the airport when i come to Nigeria and I will fly him to Abuja to come have a taste of good living.

Hmm, Big B1, after all you've said about King Kong, are you sure you want to go with Odeku to Abuja where King Kong lives? OK. Na find we go begin dey find you be dat.

Nutter no worry, nothing will happen to him, i have enough security operative to protect him day and night. BigB1 contact me and I will get you the details of my arrival we go eat pepper soup and palm wine

Odeku, you are yoruba, hausa and ibo plus ogoni i guess. No wonder you are confused. I have said it before that you are related to OBJ that is why you are bias with the truth. Now you are claiming you will host Big B1 in abuja; i pity Big B1 not even you because you might make him experience nigerian police or SSS cell. Make una take care sha.

Odeku:

Nutter no worry, nothing will happen to him, i have enough security operative to protect him day and night. BigB1 contact me and I will get you the details of my arrival we go eat pepper soup and palm wine

Odeku, Odeku (a.k.a Black thing good oh/ KK 4 EVA),

When you say you have enough security operatives to ‘protect’ him day and night, do you mean the same ‘protection’ Mandela received? I’m just asking.

Big B1,

You still dey here? Begin run oh. Dem no dey serve peppersoup and palm wine for guardroom!

Haba no make my friend run now, we had our issue and we settle it like men we are both civilized, and yes we go drink palm wine and go after some young shall grow for zone 4 night life man

Odeku,

Hmmm. Nightlife in Zone 4 abi? OK.


BB1,

Run and don't look back! *Remember Lot's wife!*

LMAO

Nutter:


Big B1,

You still dey here? Begin run oh. Dem no dey serve peppersoup and palm wine for guardroom!

laughing , omo you go kill me with laughter. i don talk am before say na BigB1 i dey pity for becos na cell or guardroom him go end up where  enough security dey day & night. Help me advice am oo, make him no follow Odeku go drink any palmwine and pepper soup oo, else from there na cell him go wake up see himself.

my people self dey quick to fear, we go send una picture of BigB1 drinking palm wine for bolo. I no go send my brother to guardroom. BigB1 abeg wake up and tell this people saw we don settle our quarel now.

my brother no follow Odeku o!; i no trust am, e be like say na OBJ boy. Just becareful the way you drink the palmwine and pepper soup wey him go offer u oo! Shine your eyes oo!!

is it really practical to have both of them impeached in Nigeria especially [b]7months or so months to elec[/b]tion?

YES BUT ATIKU will be impeach, mark my words, as for OBJ No, and the law in Nigeria stipulate no serving president can be prosecuted for offense and actions while in office. so we will impeach ATIKU and prosecute him

I really wonda if its possible (impeaching both men) considering the plight of the nation at this time. Army could cease the opportunity. i dont pray for such. _{but dont forget they are watching with keen interest.}

its dangerous.

No ARMY is coming any where, OBJ took the correct measures to enforce that already, the chief of ARMY staff was just appointed by OBj, and the chief of NAVAL, and AIR staff are all OBJ right hand mens, so no military rule not at least until after the elections. ATIKU will be out in less than 2 months.

ATIKU will be out in less than 2 months.

hmmm, that depends on the NA verdict.

In my perspective, all that is happening is like a film with intrigues acted out by mafians, it is scipted and everyone acts to suit d story, but all actually virtual. They are all theives, both baba and him.

TRUE, but BABA said it before that no corrupt person will ever rule Nigeria again, and this is the beginning of that chapter