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Re: I May Give Up On Nigeria Soon by labiyemmy(m): 10:56am On May 11, 2009 |
biina: Exactly what I am saying, noone directed anything at him, he gives himself too much credit, he makes me laugh. |
Re: I May Give Up On Nigeria Soon by SkyBlue1: 10:58am On May 11, 2009 |
nuzo: I am afraid you might have not understood what I was getting at with respect to the story. First of all, what makes you think the person mentioned in the story isn't a graduate? Isn't it quite arrogant to believe he isn't a graduate because he volunteered to do anything he could even if it meant sweeping floors. I mentioned that story because it highlights an attitude that would perhaps cause people to rethink what it means to contribute. Was not deriving pleasure from someone wanting to serve (which takes humility, which I find amicable), but deriving joy that some people were willing to do whatever they could to contribute to development in the country, it was just frame of mind I found likeable. Contributing as someone stated could be anything really, it could be helping Universities obtain software which they don't have, it could be engaging with youths in institutions, the spectrum is quite wide and almost limitless. Hence I don't buy into anybody not being able to contribute. There are a lot of transferrable skills. With regards to your first question. It is so easy to say 'what are 140million Nigerians doing'. However, do you really believe such a mindset is exclusive to Nigerians in Nigeria? Permit me to be bold but again such seems to smack of the arrogance I was speaking off. People from all over the world come online to complain about Nigeria and to write essays about how to solve problems in Nigeria without lifting a finger to work towards changing things in a country they complain non stop about, and you think such a group is different to those in the country or more "progressive"? I beg to disagree. |
Re: I May Give Up On Nigeria Soon by ElRazur: 11:00am On May 11, 2009 |
@labiyemmy: Which is? ![]()
No you asked me "what I meant by Nigeria isnt ready for certain people contribution" then, I proceed to explained. So you are agreeing indirectly that my field is under-developed and am within my right with the statement I made? Look in the words of Tupac "Besides rapping, the only thing I do best is rapping". I am a Biomedical scientist, and that is what I am. Yeah sure I can take some "transferable skills" and become a politician or become a minister of petroleum or something, However, I am passionate about what I do and I love it. If people like you cannot accept that, it is not my problem, it is your prerogative. In fact, let us make this interesting. What will you have me do? |
Re: I May Give Up On Nigeria Soon by ElRazur: 11:03am On May 11, 2009 |
@labiyemmy: biina: Only that I was the only one who seem to have talked mostly about civil war in this thread. ![]() ![]() |
Re: I May Give Up On Nigeria Soon by londoner: 11:18am On May 11, 2009 |
We all know the disappointment of what Nigeria has become today. Its so hard to see how it will change, but it wont come from a source outside of us, whether we are in Nigeria or abroad. I would like to go back to Nigeria and make a positive change, I dont exactly know how, but I know I would like to make a positive lasting difference to at least one person. This is the thing, you dont know how far reaching that impact may be, you may also be touched by those there also so lets not rule that out either. Yours is to make the contribution and let it take its natural course. I think we need to start broadening our horizons, as we tend to look at things in a vacuum. People are here stating that Nigeria has done nothing for them whereas America has. Yet they fail to take account of the stuggle that a once oppressed people faced head on so that today a person who is of Black skin, from another continent can have scholarships bestowed on them, or can even attend university at all. Someone paid for you to have that priviledge, even though they nor their children were able to taste the same. Without that taking place first AMERICA TOO WOULD HAVE DONE NOTHING FOR YOU ! Behind every Obama is a Martin Luther King. Maybe we should not be so calculating in our contribution, it may just be a necessary trigger today for a better situation many many years to come, we not see it ourselves. Does that then make it a useless excercise? Surely, precisiely because it is so bad at the moment, we must do something. As for myself, its the sheer disdain for what I have seen in Nigeria and in Nigerian attitudes which drives me to what to attempt to make a positive input. Its not because I am swelling with pride at what I see, its the opposite for me. I cant deny that around the maaasive dark cloud of Nigeria, I have also seen flickers of a silver lining, among liars, cheats and scoundrals I have witnessed small instances of honesty. If we are waiting for Nigerians to be "ready", then we are really saying we are waiting for a someone else to do what could be doing , before we are willing to do anything. Is that really giving? |
Re: I May Give Up On Nigeria Soon by georgecso(m): 11:22am On May 11, 2009 |
The nigerian situation is becoming more pathetic by the day. It looks almost irredeemable from all angles. Its a failing State!!! We just pray for a radical revolution be it democratic or military |
Re: I May Give Up On Nigeria Soon by londoner: 11:27am On May 11, 2009 |
Alrazur, are you really seriously saying that unless its in your field of employment you can not have a positive affect in Nigeria? Pardon me to say, but it does look like you are confusing finding a job in Nigeria for yourself with giving of yourself to Nigeria/Nigerians. There may even be people in Nigeria who want to get into the field, perhaps you could send them old text books or mentor them online. You still get to contribute witnin your own field that way. |
Re: I May Give Up On Nigeria Soon by Nobody: 11:31am On May 11, 2009 |
It does not require any major changes in my way of life or sacrifices on my part, only that I am mentally ready to seize such opportunities when they arise. You are so wrong cos all these doesnt equate to reasonable development; it even hinders development if objectively assessed as it will make the government too lazy and prone to corruption. However, most of us are already involved in charities like this. You should also have in mind that people have different motives for doing this kind of work in nigeria. I will still go ahead to encourage people to emulate the guys in the examples you stated. For those that would rather stay away, as Nigeria has done nothing for them, I only hope they will be upright and honorable enough, that they (and their descendants) stay away forever, even if Nigeria changes for the better. I deem it an instance of daylight theft, if one, whose parents abandoned Nigeria, feels they deserve a part in the inheritance when things turn for the better. This I doubt as when the yam is being cooked, all are unaware; but at the sound of pestle pounding yam, all rush to join the festivities What a baseless statement. . . Sky Blue: All graduates are not professionals like Elrazur. But if you insist that they are, then I tell my friend who will be graduating soon as an aeronautical engineer to come also sweep floor in your meeting? ![]() |
Re: I May Give Up On Nigeria Soon by ElRazur: 11:36am On May 11, 2009 |
londoner: Erm, I have no problem finding a job in Nigeria. I have refused at least two jobs over the years - well paid, with car and accommodation. I turned them down on the basis of not being able to do my CPD and training needed. No I am saying, I am trained to be specialised in certain areas and I will really want to give back to Nigeria in that area. Asking me to go to other areas will make me feel under-achieved. It is about how I feel, the training I have undergone over the years and what I can offer. I should strike a good balance and not just dash in simply because I see the need to help. As for mentoring people, let's just say I do what I can. I can't be bothered going into details. ![]() |
Re: I May Give Up On Nigeria Soon by londoner: 11:43am On May 11, 2009 |
@ Alrazur, well if you are already mentoring Nigerians, you ARE making your own positive contribution. You dont have to live in Nigeria or even spend years there. So, well done! Btw I wasn't suggesting you could not find a job in Nigeria. |
Re: I May Give Up On Nigeria Soon by ElRazur: 11:47am On May 11, 2009 |
@Londoner. I believe everyone makes a contribution one way or the other - be it sending money home to people, sending a car home or buying a house [all of these help contribute to the economy of Nigeria]. However, most us will like to do more and in my case, I feel my hands are tied for reasons I mentioned in my past posts. |
Re: I May Give Up On Nigeria Soon by spikedcylinder: 11:50am On May 11, 2009 |
biina: You are something else. |
Re: I May Give Up On Nigeria Soon by Nobody: 11:51am On May 11, 2009 |
spikedcylinder: As in? |
Re: I May Give Up On Nigeria Soon by spikedcylinder: 11:54am On May 11, 2009 |
His/her sense of reasoning. |
Re: I May Give Up On Nigeria Soon by SkyBlue1: 11:57am On May 11, 2009 |
nuzo: Did not suggest all graduates are professionals simply pointed out that there are a lot of skills that are transferrable hence it does not have to be your niche in which you contribute in. If after explaining again you did not get the reason I referenced the story I did then sorry, I can't help you. There is A LOT of work to be done in so many areas which can benefit from people getting involved and there is a lot of work to be done which can have wide reaching implications. One has a wide selection of areas they can contribute in with implications ranging from education, to industry, economy, politics, social awakening, etc. The issue is backing up rhetoric with substance and action. By the way, I disagree with your first comment that such things achieved through people getting involved as posted by the poster you quoted are not 'reasonable development'. Sure much more could be done and although such people should be encouraged for taking such a plunge in the first place, much more can be done with the approach of people getting involved. You could argue that such isn't really political development but it is development and the people who would benefit with such things as schools being equipped for them, software to enhance education being provided, being infomred about situations in Nigeria, etc, would argue with your postulation that such is not development. I am pretty sure people who might be affected by changes to moves by the government as a result of actions of pressure groups would disagree with you that such was not "reasonable development". Afterall wasn't it an NGO that brought the whole issue of people in diaspora being able to vote to the table of the federal government? There is a lot of work which goes beyond charity and is associated with improving the quality of government, making government more accountable, etc which people can get involved in. The issue is follow through. So many ideas come up and people don't follow through but expect such ideas to be developed and implemented by someone else. |
Re: I May Give Up On Nigeria Soon by solosimple(m): 1:51pm On May 11, 2009 |
With Hope I look forward to a better Nigeria MAY GOD HELP US! |
Re: I May Give Up On Nigeria Soon by PurestBoy(m): 2:01pm On May 11, 2009 |
solosimple: Which Hope ![]() |
Re: I May Give Up On Nigeria Soon by SkyBlue1: 2:05pm On May 11, 2009 |
PurestBoy: Speak for yourself and those you know please. |
Re: I May Give Up On Nigeria Soon by tombola: 2:08pm On May 11, 2009 |
@Poster The only way to give up quicker is to die before Nigeria eventually "dies" - why not put a bullet hole in your own head to quicken this process and see if you'll be missed? |
Re: I May Give Up On Nigeria Soon by Akpangbon: 2:17pm On May 11, 2009 |
Yes, Poster, if you think Nigeria is dead or is dying, why not just shut up and let her be? Do you seriously think your opinion matters about the current, past and future state of Nigeria? Hell no, for all we care, you can give up and noone will loose sleep over that move. |
Re: I May Give Up On Nigeria Soon by ElRazur: 2:19pm On May 11, 2009 |
Sky Blue: But when someone like me says my field is severely under-developed, and not prepare to go home as a result, You disagree right? And seem to want me to "transfer my skills across" without respecting the fact that I have a choice. Yet here is a statement coming from someone whom I personally believe his post is legit - 40years plus of no tangible achievement will probably back his point up. And here you are disagreeing again, Kinda Ironic isn't? ![]() |
Re: I May Give Up On Nigeria Soon by diasporian: 2:19pm On May 11, 2009 |
Well said, last two posters, who gives a damn if you give up on Nigeria or not? Nigeria is bigger than you and your thoughts, if you give up, thgere are million others, better than you, who will work hard day and night to make things work, so, if you like, give up and never come back and let us know ourselves that remain with hope. Who is this guy always talking about his field being not in Nigeria? What is this field of his self? His he a sailor or something? |
Re: I May Give Up On Nigeria Soon by ElRazur: 2:21pm On May 11, 2009 |
diasporian: What will post like this achieve? How come those better than him haven't done much in the past 40years plus of independence? Why do people genuinely feel hopeless? Please explain these things to me. ![]() PS Funny how your post seem to come in the same time Akpangbon and Tombola logged right out. Nice. |
Re: I May Give Up On Nigeria Soon by toshacer: 2:22pm On May 11, 2009 |
I am convinced that Nigeria does not need the opinion of anyone on this forum before moving forward, noone at all. The fool sayeth in his heart there is no hope for Nigeria. |
Re: I May Give Up On Nigeria Soon by londoner: 2:23pm On May 11, 2009 |
@Purestboy, you have just proved one thing I have known for a while, sometimes the people get the leaders they deserve. Please stay in Nigeria, not to "Obamaland", you will only bring morally sound Nigerians abroad yet more disgrace. With the type of mentality you have displayed here, it is clear that you are not suited to a country which is civilised, as you will only bring your unrefined mindset where it is not wanted. |
Re: I May Give Up On Nigeria Soon by toshacer: 2:23pm On May 11, 2009 |
ElRazur: Exactly, why do people like the poster feel genuinely hopeless? Please help us ask him. |
Re: I May Give Up On Nigeria Soon by ElRazur: 2:23pm On May 11, 2009 |
tosh_acer: Again your post came in right after Diasporan logged right out, Hmmm. You really aint fooling anyone. ![]() |
Re: I May Give Up On Nigeria Soon by ElRazur: 2:25pm On May 11, 2009 |
tosh_acer: He gave his reasons. If only you can be objective and debate free of emotions. ![]() |
Re: I May Give Up On Nigeria Soon by Njoy1(f): 2:25pm On May 11, 2009 |
Nigeria like every other country may be going thru a hard time, this is not abnormal, if anyone thinks it is the last home, hey, good for them, but for them to conclude that Nigeria is a failed state and that they want to give up and they want us to loose sleep because of that, that will not be possible. |
Re: I May Give Up On Nigeria Soon by SkyBlue1: 2:27pm On May 11, 2009 |
ElRazur: Here is the issue, you postulated that you couldn't contribute meaningfully to progress in Nigeria and I disagreed saying that whoever wants to contribute can in numerous ways. So please do tell, where does this "choice" I have to respect come into the equation? The situation can be likened to someone saying they are hungry and they want to eat but there is no food after which they are informed that there is food but its only garri and egusi, to which they reply that they only prefer spaghetti and it is their choice. ? ? ? What am I supposed to do with that please? Take a leaf out of your book and respect people's choices as you seem to postulate. Some people say they want to contribute where they can and that Nigeria is not dead, they say they want to be part of the solution, some say it is not yet ready for them, etc. Both choices with each having their own reasons. I was weary of actually responding since you took offence at my last post addressed to you, so please, we don't need to have exchanges if it would keep on degenerating into this so please kindly feel absolutely free to ignore my posts completely. I am not into online squabbles. |
Re: I May Give Up On Nigeria Soon by londoner: 2:29pm On May 11, 2009 |
@diasporan, I'm glad you are hopeful about the numbers of people in Nigeria who are willing to stand up and be counted. I disagree, I do not believe there are millions who are willing to work tirelessly for a better Nigeria, the average Nigerian in Nigeria seems to share the mindset of those like purestboy. The majority of npeople who know there needs to be change think its the sole responsibility of someone else to serve it to them on a plate. However I dont think real lasting change will necessarilly need millions of people to start it, thank Goodness. |
Re: I May Give Up On Nigeria Soon by Akpangbon: 2:30pm On May 11, 2009 |
@SkyBlue Dont mind ElRufai, he talks about his proffession as if it is one out of the ordinary, even if JEsus Christ comes to Nigeria today, He will have a lot to do, talkless of a mere whatever your profession is goon. |
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