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Re: I May Give Up On Nigeria Soon by labiyemmy(m): 10:56am On May 11, 2009
biina:

and you are so sure the comment was directed at you, even when you cant find a reason for why? undecided
I think you give yourself too much credit.

Exactly what I am saying, noone directed anything at him, he gives himself too much credit, he makes me laugh.
Re: I May Give Up On Nigeria Soon by SkyBlue1: 10:58am On May 11, 2009
nuzo:

Unfortunately, that seems to be the case, otherwise, what could 140 million nigerians living in nigeria waiting for for before they think of how to transform the nation.
On the second emboldened, will it make any sense to you if Elrazur; a professional suggested to come, sweep and mopp the floor after your meeting?
Were you happy that the guy you mentioned was contributing to nation building or happy as a typical nigerian who take pleasure in seeing people serve them. . . just curious bro.


What gentleman you are.

I am afraid you might have not understood what I was getting at with respect to the story. First of all, what makes you think the person mentioned in the story isn't a graduate? Isn't it quite arrogant to believe he isn't a graduate because he volunteered to do anything he could even if it meant sweeping floors. I mentioned that story because it highlights an attitude that would perhaps cause people to rethink what it means to contribute. Was not deriving pleasure from someone wanting to serve (which takes humility, which I find amicable), but deriving joy that some people were willing to do whatever they could to contribute to development in the country, it was just frame of mind I found likeable. Contributing as someone stated could be anything really, it could be helping Universities obtain software which they don't have, it could be engaging with youths in institutions, the spectrum is quite wide and almost limitless. Hence I don't buy into anybody not being able to contribute. There are a lot of transferrable skills.

With regards to your first question. It is so easy to say 'what are 140million Nigerians doing'. However, do you really believe such a mindset is exclusive to Nigerians in Nigeria? Permit me to be bold but again such seems to smack of the arrogance I was speaking off. People from all over the world come online to complain about Nigeria and to write essays about how to solve problems in Nigeria without lifting a finger to work towards changing things in a country they complain non stop about, and you think such a group is different to those in the country or more "progressive"? I beg to disagree.
Re: I May Give Up On Nigeria Soon by ElRazur: 11:00am On May 11, 2009
@labiyemmy:

ElRazur

I am happy you dont understand what I have said, it just brings me to the conclusion of what I have said all along.

Which is?

I asked you what your idea of contributing to the country means, and you replied, you cant contribute anything to Nigeria because the work you do is not developed in Nigeria, hence you cant come to Nigeria to work. And I replied you, contributing to Nigeria is not the same as coming to Nigeria to work, these are two different things, people who contributed to the well being and growth and development of Nigeria never did so by working within their proffession, there are so many ways these can be done without necessarily thinking alongst your proffession "that is not available in Nigeria" hence you cant contribute in any way talk.

No you asked me "what I meant by Nigeria isnt ready for certain people contribution" then, I proceed to explained.

So you are agreeing indirectly that my field is under-developed and am within my right with the statement I made?

Look in the words of Tupac "Besides rapping, the only thing I do best is rapping". I am a Biomedical scientist, and that is what I am. Yeah sure I can take some "transferable skills" and become a politician or become a minister of petroleum or something, However, I am passionate about what I do and I love it. If people like you cannot accept that, it is not my problem, it is your prerogative.

In fact, let us make this interesting. What will you have me do?
Re: I May Give Up On Nigeria Soon by ElRazur: 11:03am On May 11, 2009
@labiyemmy:

Exactly what I am saying, noone directed anything at him, he gives himself too much credit, he makes me laugh.

biina:

and you are so sure the comment was directed at you, even when you cant find a reason for why? undecided
I think you give yourself too much credit.

Only that I was the only one who seem to have talked mostly about civil war in this thread. Please tell me who have posted much about civil war apart from me? smiley
Re: I May Give Up On Nigeria Soon by londoner: 11:18am On May 11, 2009
We all know the disappointment of what Nigeria has become today. Its so hard to see how it will change, but it wont come from a source outside of us, whether we are in Nigeria or abroad.

I would like to go back to Nigeria and make a positive change, I dont exactly know how, but I know I would like to make a positive lasting difference to at least one person. This is the thing, you dont know how far reaching that impact may be, you may also be touched by those there also so lets not rule that out either. Yours is to make the contribution and let it take its natural course.

I think we need to start broadening our horizons, as we tend to look at things in a vacuum. People are here stating that Nigeria has done nothing for them whereas America has. Yet they fail to take account of the stuggle that a once oppressed people faced head on so that today a person who is of Black skin, from another continent can have scholarships bestowed on them, or can even attend university at all.

Someone paid for you to have that priviledge, even though they nor their children were able to taste the same.

Without that taking place first AMERICA TOO WOULD HAVE DONE NOTHING FOR YOU !

Behind every Obama is a Martin Luther King.

Maybe we should not be so calculating in our contribution, it may just be a necessary trigger today for a better situation many many years to come, we not see it ourselves. Does that then make it a useless excercise?

Surely, precisiely because it is so bad at the moment, we must do something. As for myself, its the sheer disdain for what I have seen in Nigeria and in Nigerian attitudes which drives me to what to attempt to make a positive input. Its not because I am swelling with pride at what I see, its the opposite for me. I cant deny that around the maaasive dark cloud of Nigeria, I have also seen flickers of a silver lining, among liars, cheats and scoundrals I have witnessed small instances of honesty.

If we are waiting for Nigerians to be "ready", then we are really saying we are waiting for a someone else to do what could be doing , before we are willing to do anything.

Is that really giving?
Re: I May Give Up On Nigeria Soon by georgecso(m): 11:22am On May 11, 2009
The nigerian situation is becoming more pathetic by the day. It looks almost irredeemable from all angles.

Day in day out, we hear of how people embezzle the public funds without being questioned. Those appointed to probe the embezzlers end up doing the same thing.
Corruption in the public and private institutions of the country.
Assassinations and assassination attempts.
No attempts to revitalize the fast decaying infrastructures like roads, railways, airline, schools, hospital and most importantly power generating plants. Our refineries are not even in the picture anymore.
Nothing is being done to tackle the ever rising unemployment rate.
Nothing is being done to rehabilitate, reorient and reconstruct the police force.
In most cases, one has to become a heartless wicked crook who will be willing to kill or cheat before you can have a bit of good life in nigeria.
The worst part is that Nigerians have become so used to being intimidated and pushed around by their leaders to the extent that they believe it's a normal life; the "will of god as most will say".
Everybody seem to have lost their common sense of reasoning.

Its a failing State!!! We just pray for a radical revolution be it democratic or military
Re: I May Give Up On Nigeria Soon by londoner: 11:27am On May 11, 2009
Alrazur, are you really seriously saying that unless its in your field of employment you can not have a positive affect in Nigeria? Pardon me to say, but it does look like you are confusing finding a job in Nigeria for yourself with giving of yourself to Nigeria/Nigerians.

There may even be people in Nigeria who want to get into the field, perhaps you could send them old text books or mentor them online. You still get to contribute witnin your own field that way.
Re: I May Give Up On Nigeria Soon by Nobody: 11:31am On May 11, 2009
It does not require any major changes in my way of life or sacrifices on my part, only that I am mentally ready to seize such opportunities when they arise.
Examples,
- A friend who is a doctor abroad, helps people in naija with the purchase of prescription drugs that are often scarce or adulterated in naija, at no extra cost.
- A friend  is taking up an academic position at a university abroad. He plans to take two or more Nigerian students into his group for phd studies (hopefully with funding).
- A friend in Naija provides pipe borne water for free to members of his community.
The hope is that bit by bit we get rid of the selfish mentality that seems to be so ingrained in our society, and has brought us nothing good, and from their move onwards to better things.
I might be wrong in my thinking, but I dont see the harm in trying.

You are so wrong cos all these doesnt equate to reasonable development; it even hinders development if objectively assessed as it will make the government too lazy and prone to corruption.

However, most of us are already involved in charities like this. You should also have in mind that people have different motives for doing this kind of work in nigeria.
I will still go ahead to encourage people to emulate the guys in the examples you stated.

For those that would rather stay away, as Nigeria has done nothing for them, I only hope they will be upright and honorable enough, that they  (and their descendants) stay away forever, even if Nigeria changes for the better. I deem it an instance of daylight theft,  if one, whose parents abandoned Nigeria, feels they deserve a part in the inheritance when things turn for the better. This I doubt as when the yam is being cooked, all are unaware; but at the sound of pestle pounding yam, all rush to join the festivities

What a baseless statement. . .
Sky Blue:


[b]I am afraid you might have not understood what I was getting at with respect to the story. First of all, what makes you think the person mentioned in the story isn't a graduate? Isn't it quite arrogant to believe he isn't a graduate because he volunteered to do anything he could even if it meant sweeping floors. I mentioned that story because it highlights an attitude that would perhaps cause people to rethink what it means to contribute. Was not deriving pleasure from someone wanting to serve (which takes humility, which I find amicable), but deriving joy that some people were willing to do whatever they could to contribute to development in the country, it was just frame of mind I found likeable. Contributing as someone stated could be anything really, it could be helping Universities obtain software which they don't have, it could be engaging with youths in institutions, the spectrum is quite wide and almost limitless. Hence I don't buy into anybody not being able to contribute. There are a lot of transferrable skills[/b].

With regards to your first question. It is so easy to say 'what are 140million Nigerians doing'. However, do you really believe such a mindset is exclusive to Nigerians in Nigeria? Permit me to be bold but again such seems to smack of the arrogance I was speaking off. People from all over the world come online to complain about Nigeria and to write essays about how to solve problems in Nigeria without lifting a finger to work towards changing things in a country they complain non stop about, and you think such a group is different to those in the country or more "progressive"? I beg to disagree.

All graduates are not professionals like Elrazur. But if you insist that they are, then I tell my friend who will be graduating soon as an aeronautical engineer to come also sweep floor in your meeting? cheesy
Re: I May Give Up On Nigeria Soon by ElRazur: 11:36am On May 11, 2009
londoner:

Alrazur, are you really seriously saying that unless its in your field of employment you can not have a positive affect in Nigeria? Pardon me to say, but it does look like you are confusing finding a job in Nigeria for yourself with giving of yourself to Nigeria/Nigerians.

There may even be people in Nigeria who want to get into the field, perhaps you could send them old text books or mentor them online. You still get to contribute witnin your own field that way.

Erm, I have no problem finding a job in Nigeria. I have refused at least two jobs over the years - well paid, with car and accommodation. I turned them down on the basis of not being able to do my CPD and training needed.

No I am saying, I am trained to be specialised in certain areas and I will really want to give back to Nigeria in that area. Asking me to go to other areas will make me feel under-achieved. It is about how I feel, the training I have undergone over the years and what I can offer. I should strike a good balance and not just dash in simply because I see the need to help.

As for mentoring people, let's just say I do what I can. I can't be bothered going into details. smiley
Re: I May Give Up On Nigeria Soon by londoner: 11:43am On May 11, 2009
@ Alrazur, well if you are already mentoring Nigerians, you ARE making your own positive contribution.

You dont have to live in Nigeria or even spend years there.

So, well done!

Btw I wasn't suggesting you could not find a job in Nigeria.
Re: I May Give Up On Nigeria Soon by ElRazur: 11:47am On May 11, 2009
@Londoner.

I believe everyone makes a contribution one way or the other - be it sending money home to people, sending a car home or buying a house [all of these help contribute to the economy of Nigeria]. However, most us will like to do more and in my case, I feel my hands are tied for reasons I mentioned in my past posts.
Re: I May Give Up On Nigeria Soon by spikedcylinder: 11:50am On May 11, 2009
biina:

Those that beat the drums of war, have obviously never been in one.  I advise you watch a documentary on (better still take a trip to) one of the war torn African countries, and I am sure any sane man would be against a war Nigeria.

While saddening, I am less surprised when Nigerians who live in a foreign land sing war songs, as they are sure they would be far away from the consequences. What baffles me most, is when those that live in Nigeria join the chant. When a mad man chooses to dance naked in the village square, his neighbor should not adopt his antics.

For me solving the problem of Nigeria is not about civil war or revolution. Rather it is about each and every one contributing the little they can towards making it better.
Its not about what Nigeria has done for me, but for me to look back and be able to say this is what I have done.
Its not about holding a political office or being at the head of any establishment, but me doing whatever I can to improve the standard of living of one or more Nigerians
Like fela said, 'omolanke pusher get power over im omolanke'. I only intend to use my omolanke to better the life of another
Where I live is irrelevant, as I only focus on finding little opportunities to make the life of another Nigerian better (be it home or abroad)
I do not see the point in asking "what do I get in return?", as such selfish thinking got us into the deep sh*t we are in.
It does not require any major changes in my way of life or sacrifices on my part, only that I am mentally ready to seize such opportunities when they arise.
Examples,
- A friend who is a doctor abroad, helps people in naija with the purchase of prescription drugs that are often scarce or adulterated in naija, at no extra cost.
- A friend  is taking up an academic position at a university abroad. He plans to take two or more Nigerian students into his group for phd studies (hopefully with funding).
- A friend in Naija provides pipe borne water for free to members of his community.
The hope is that bit by bit we get rid of the selfish mentality that seems to be so ingrained in our society, and has brought us nothing good, and from their move onwards to better things.
I might be wrong in my thinking, but I dont see the harm in trying.

For those that would rather stay away, as Nigeria has done nothing for them, I only hope they will be upright and honorable enough, that they  (and their descendants) stay away forever, even if Nigeria changes for the better. I deem it an instance of daylight theft,  if one, whose parents abandoned Nigeria, feels they deserve a part in the inheritance when things turn for the better. This I doubt as when the yam is being cooked, all are unaware; but at the sound of pestle pounding yam, all rush to join the festivities

You are something else.
Re: I May Give Up On Nigeria Soon by Nobody: 11:51am On May 11, 2009
spikedcylinder:

You are something else.

As in?
Re: I May Give Up On Nigeria Soon by spikedcylinder: 11:54am On May 11, 2009
His/her sense of reasoning.
Re: I May Give Up On Nigeria Soon by SkyBlue1: 11:57am On May 11, 2009
nuzo:

You are so wrong cos all these doesnt equate to reasonable development; it even hinders development if objectively assessed as it will make the government too lazy and prone to corruption.

However, most of us are already involved in charities like this. You should also have in mind that people have different motives for doing this kind of work in nigeria.
I will still go ahead to encourage people to emulate the guys in the examples you stated.

What a baseless statement. . .
All graduates are not professionals like Elrazur. But if you insist that they are, then I tell my friend who will be graduating soon as an aeronautical engineer to come also sweep floor in your meeting? cheesy

Did not suggest all graduates are professionals simply pointed out that there are a lot of skills that are transferrable hence it does not have to be your niche in which you contribute in. If after explaining again you did not get the reason I referenced the story I did then sorry, I can't help you. There is A LOT of work to be done in so many areas which can benefit from people getting involved and there is a lot of work to be done which can have wide reaching implications. One has a wide selection of areas they can contribute in with implications ranging from education, to industry, economy, politics, social awakening, etc. The issue is backing up rhetoric with substance and action.

By the way, I disagree with your first comment that such things achieved through people getting involved as posted by the poster you quoted are not 'reasonable development'. Sure much more could be done and although such people should be encouraged for taking such a plunge in the first place, much more can be done with the approach of people getting involved. You could argue that such isn't really political development but it is development and the people who would benefit with such things as schools being equipped for them, software to enhance education being provided, being infomred about situations in Nigeria, etc, would argue with your postulation that such is not development. I am pretty sure people who might be affected by changes to moves by the government as a result of actions of pressure groups would disagree with you that such was not "reasonable development". Afterall wasn't it an NGO that brought the whole issue of people in diaspora being able to vote to the table of the federal government? There is a lot of work which goes beyond charity and is associated with improving the quality of government, making government more accountable, etc which people can get involved in. The issue is follow through. So many ideas come up and people don't follow through but expect such ideas to be developed and implemented by someone else.
Re: I May Give Up On Nigeria Soon by solosimple(m): 1:51pm On May 11, 2009
With Hope
I look forward to a better Nigeria

MAY GOD HELP US!
Re: I May Give Up On Nigeria Soon by PurestBoy(m): 2:01pm On May 11, 2009
solosimple:

With Hope
I look forward to a better Nigeria

MAY GOD HELP US!

Which Hope for this country?? when the younger generation seems to be worse and every young Nigerians including me already have the plan to embezzle at the slightest opportunity
Re: I May Give Up On Nigeria Soon by SkyBlue1: 2:05pm On May 11, 2009
PurestBoy:

Which Hope for this country?? when the younger generation seems to be worse and every young Nigerian[/b]s including me [b]already have the plan to embezzle at the slightest opportunity

Speak for yourself and those you know please.
Re: I May Give Up On Nigeria Soon by tombola: 2:08pm On May 11, 2009
@Poster

The only way to give up quicker is to die before Nigeria eventually "dies" - why not put a bullet hole in your own head to quicken this process and see if you'll be missed?
Re: I May Give Up On Nigeria Soon by Akpangbon: 2:17pm On May 11, 2009
Yes, Poster, if you think Nigeria is dead or is dying, why not just shut up and let her be? Do you seriously think your opinion matters about the current, past and future state of Nigeria? Hell no, for all we care, you can give up and noone will loose sleep over that move.
Re: I May Give Up On Nigeria Soon by ElRazur: 2:19pm On May 11, 2009
Sky Blue:

Speak for yourself and those you know please.

But when someone like me says my field is severely under-developed, and not prepare to go home as a result, You disagree right? And seem to want me to "transfer my skills across" without respecting the fact that I have a choice.

Yet here is a statement coming from someone whom I personally believe his post is legit - 40years plus of no tangible achievement will probably back his point up. And here you are disagreeing again, Kinda Ironic isn't?

undecided Headfcuk.
Re: I May Give Up On Nigeria Soon by diasporian: 2:19pm On May 11, 2009
Well said, last two posters, who gives a damn if you give up on Nigeria or not? Nigeria is bigger than you and your thoughts, if you give up, thgere are million others, better than you, who will work hard day and night to make things work, so, if you like, give up and never come back and let us know ourselves that remain with hope.

Who is this guy always talking about his field being not in Nigeria? What is this field of his self? His he a sailor or something?
Re: I May Give Up On Nigeria Soon by ElRazur: 2:21pm On May 11, 2009
diasporian:

Well said, last two posters, who gives a damn if you give up on Nigeria or not? Nigeria is bigger than you and your thoughts, if you give up, thgere are million others, better than you, who will work hard day and night to make things work, so, if you like, give up and never come back and let us know ourselves that remain with hope.

What will post like this achieve? How come those better than him haven't done much in the past 40years plus of independence? Why do people genuinely feel hopeless? Please explain these things to me. smiley


PS
Funny how your post seem to come in the same time Akpangbon and Tombola logged right out. Nice.
Re: I May Give Up On Nigeria Soon by toshacer: 2:22pm On May 11, 2009
I am convinced that Nigeria does not need the opinion of anyone on this forum before moving forward, noone at all. The fool sayeth in his heart there is no hope for Nigeria.
Re: I May Give Up On Nigeria Soon by londoner: 2:23pm On May 11, 2009
@Purestboy, you have just proved one thing I have known for a while, sometimes the people get the leaders they deserve. Please stay in Nigeria, not to "Obamaland", you will only bring morally sound Nigerians abroad yet more disgrace. With the type of mentality you have displayed here, it is clear that you are not suited to a country which is civilised, as you will only bring your unrefined mindset where it is not wanted.
Re: I May Give Up On Nigeria Soon by toshacer: 2:23pm On May 11, 2009
ElRazur:

What will post like this achieve? How come those better than him haven't done much in the past 40years plus of independence? Why do people genuinely feel hopeless? Please explain these things to me. smiley


PS
Funny how your post seem to come in the same time Akpangbon and Tombola logged right out. Nice.

Exactly, why do people like the poster feel genuinely hopeless? Please help us ask him.
Re: I May Give Up On Nigeria Soon by ElRazur: 2:23pm On May 11, 2009
tosh_acer:

I am convinced that Nigeria does not need the opinion of anyone on this forum before moving forward, noone at all. The fool sayeth in his heart there is no hope for Nigeria.

Again your post came in right after Diasporan logged right out, Hmmm. You really aint fooling anyone. grin
Re: I May Give Up On Nigeria Soon by ElRazur: 2:25pm On May 11, 2009
tosh_acer:

Exactly, why do people like the poster feel genuinely hopeless? Please help us ask him.

He gave his reasons. If only you can be objective and debate free of emotions. smiley
Re: I May Give Up On Nigeria Soon by Njoy1(f): 2:25pm On May 11, 2009
Nigeria like every other country may be going thru a hard time, this is not abnormal, if anyone thinks it is the last home, hey, good for them, but for them to conclude that Nigeria is a failed state and that they want to give up and they want us to loose sleep because of that, that will not be possible.
Re: I May Give Up On Nigeria Soon by SkyBlue1: 2:27pm On May 11, 2009
ElRazur:

But when someone like me says my field is severely under-developed, and not prepare to go home as a result, You disagree right? And seem to want me to "transfer my skills across" without respecting the fact that I have a choice.

Yet here is a statement coming from someone whom I personally believe his post is legit - 40years plus of no tangible achievement will probably back his point up. And here you are disagreeing again, Kinda Ironic isn't?

undecided Headfcuk.

Here is the issue, you postulated that you couldn't contribute meaningfully to progress in Nigeria and I disagreed saying that whoever wants to contribute can in numerous ways. So please do tell, where does this "choice" I have to respect come into the equation? The situation can be likened to someone saying they are hungry and they want to eat but there is no food after which they are informed that there is food but its only garri and egusi, to which they reply that they only prefer spaghetti and it is their choice. ? ? ? What am I supposed to do with that please? Take a leaf out of your book and respect people's choices as you seem to postulate. Some people say they want to contribute where they can and that Nigeria is not dead, they say they want to be part of the solution, some say it is not yet ready for them, etc. Both choices with each having their own reasons.

I was weary of actually responding since you took offence at my last post addressed to you, so please, we don't need to have exchanges if it would keep on degenerating into this so please kindly feel absolutely free to ignore my posts completely. I am not into online squabbles.
Re: I May Give Up On Nigeria Soon by londoner: 2:29pm On May 11, 2009
@diasporan, I'm glad you are hopeful about the numbers of people in Nigeria who are willing to stand up and be counted. I disagree, I do not believe there are millions who are willing to work tirelessly for a better Nigeria, the average Nigerian in Nigeria seems to share the mindset of those like purestboy. The majority of npeople who know there needs to be change think its the sole responsibility of someone else to serve it to them on a plate.

However I dont think real lasting change will necessarilly need millions of people to start it, thank Goodness.
Re: I May Give Up On Nigeria Soon by Akpangbon: 2:30pm On May 11, 2009
@SkyBlue


Dont mind ElRufai, he talks about his proffession as if it is one out of the ordinary, even if JEsus Christ comes to Nigeria today, He will have a lot to do, talkless of a mere whatever your profession is goon.

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