zetdee:

There is massive rigging in Nigerian elections. NIGERIA IS NOT A DEMOCRACY. Obansanjo was installed as president despite clear proof of vote rigging.

Hezron Lorraine: I think u're basing ur arguement on Nigeria's current security threat to judge procurement of an expensive aircraft carrier.
Yes its freaking expensive.I am not fully backing the possibility of getting it soon.the govt still needs strong conviction to approve such a huge spending.
If you argue that Nigeria is living peacefully among friendly-non conflict states which automatically means she isn't under any threat except for the current wave of piracy,islamic militancy/terrorism.she needs not embark on a mission for an aircraft carrier.I can argue also that we don't need any SUB cause the SUBs are useless in any naval drill in this part of the continent.
I also noted that Nigeria is basing the military in the global direction.she is currently fighting to beat out more powerful militaries and be ranked above them.
No nation empowers its military without putting in future possibilties of external threats.
The more powerful any military is attracts natural envy.
The platform isn't a waste of resources because it isn't meeting our immediate needs.it is there for future advancements.
It probably won't be engaged after its first performance exercise but it at least puts it on the map that the Nigerian Navy got its aircraft carrier.that would boost Nigeria's superiority over its african competitors.

Donian007: NEWS: SUDANESE PRESIDENT OMAR AL BASHAR ARRIVES AND RECIEVED IN NIGERIA DESPITE ICCJ ARREST WARRANT AS HRW CRY FOUL. DEBATE ONGOING IN SOME RADIO STATIONS AND NIGERIANS SPEAK TO SUPPORT HIS VISIT, ASK'S ICCJ TO ARREST HIM IN SUDAN. NOTE: SOUTH AFRICA, CAR, UGANDA, RWANDA ALL PLEDGED TO ARREST HIM IN CONTRAST TO AU's DECISION. WHAT DO YOU THINK?

Msauza:

Why is it that people only get stu.pid when they speak the truth.

patriot4: Best decision we have ever taken, now the whole of Africa will be aware that Nigeria is no western puppet. Nigeria rated Africa's AU over european ICC. Now the word is going aroud, how long before the remaining African countries follow ? Pan Africanism is born again !
HRW and the west can keep blabling, we are not listening !
Here we go !

scipher:
South african troops are skinny

patriot4: Best decision we have ever taken, now the whole of Africa will be aware that Nigeria is no western puppet. Nigeria rated Africa's AU over european ICC. Now the word is going aroud, how long before the remaining African countries follow ? Pan Africanism is born again !
HRW and the west can keep blabling, we are not listening !
Here we go !

NaijaPikinGidi:

Well spoken Chief!!

NaijaPikinGidi:

It is because you always try to pass-off falsehood as truth, and you never seem tired of being STUP.ID!!

Msauza:

The truth is the truth, no matter how you put it.

Msauza:

You are not a puppet, yet you will become Americas biggest beneficiary of $7billion charity case to build powerstations that your leaders failed to construct for many decades. Here you want to boast to us about your possible procurement of Aircraft carriers. Is that not hypocrisy of the highest order?

Henry120:

Yes, I did base some of my comments on nigeria's current security needs. Honestly, this is a non-argument, as even in my most joyous dream, nigeria won't purchase an air-craft carrier. Not now, not in the medium term, perhaps in the long term, when we have a 13 trillion dollars economy.

A SUB is needed 1) as a deterrent, 2) to keep abrest with a different type of war-fare (under-water warfare).

"I also noted that Nigeria is basing the military in the global direction.she is currently fighting to beat out more powerful militaries and be ranked above them."

I'm sorry, but this your statement above is a non-issue( just to put it nicely).




If it won't be used after it's first training performance, then it is a big fat waste of money. Look, my man @Hezron, let's come back to reality. I don't think you heard or read right whatever intel you got.

*oh, I remember now. This was among one of the Info. you were back-tracking on sharing. What about the rest?

NaijaPikinGidi:

Take your headache pills and go get some sleep! You South Africans never learn anything!! Is your true democracy the one that silences the opposition via Secrecy of Information bill in your Parliament? Contrast that with Nigeria's enactment of the Freedom of Information bill into law ... and it becomes obvious how much of a joke you South Africans are!!

Please address the points and stop dancing around with your naked butts! Shameful lot!!

NaijaPikinGidi:

Take your headache pills and go get some sleep! You South Africans never learn anything!! Is your true democracy the one that silences the opposition via Secrecy of Information bill in your Parliament? Contrast that with Nigeria's enactment of the Freedom of Information bill into law ... and it becomes obvious how much of a joke you South Africans are!!

Please address the points and stop dancing around with your naked butts! Shameful lot!!

Msauza:

You are not a puppet, yet you will become Americas biggest beneficiary of $7billion charity case to build powerstations that your leaders failed to construct for many decades. Here you want to boast to us about your possible procurement of Aircraft carriers. Is that not hypocrisy of the highest order?

chris365:

and would you call Israel a puppet? Or egypt just cos they receive aid money.

Go and make your research, we never begged for US help or aid. Our leaders even told them to go to hell with their aid money after they threatened to cut aid if they approve the anti gay bill.

Forget what Obam said, he doesn't have any relationship with Nigeria. It's just business.

Fact is that there's too much interest in Nigeria due to our due take over from you. And america doesn't want to be left out.

Am challenging you to look for any source that says Nigeria asks for money from US to fix any of ou problems.

This is the problem with south africans. You lack analytical skills to evaluate anything, which is the reason for your regular copy and paste attitude.

Msauza:
Enactment of Laws in SA do not just pass without being referred to the Constitutional Court to prove their constituency before being signed by the president. Any law found to contravene the provisions of the constitution as the supreme law of the country will be deemed null and void. That's how true democracy work my friend.

Msauza:

America saw that you were just a charity case who failed to look after himself even five decades after independence.

patriot4:
Back to the sender:
By your own criteria south africa is not a democracy.
http://www.freemoviesdown.com/2013/07/myn-bala-french-dvdrip.html

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9pJtK2N2peI[font=Lucida Sans Unicode][/font]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8HMM3v7PEfg

chris365:

so that's your defense now. It's no longer about being a puppet?
So it would mean that with all your development and bouyant economy, YOUR COUNTRY IS STILL A CHARITY CASE that can't take care of itself after apatheid for still recieving aid money.
South africans were even begging UK when they threatened to cut aid to your country.

So while we were telling them to go to hell with their aid, you were begging them to keep paying.

Don't throw stones if you live in a glass house boy... Didn't your mama teach you better than that?

Msauza:

Let me correct you, the information bill (termed secrecy bill by the media) is not intended to silence opposition parties. It is more about protection of state information. The right to information held by the state as entrenched by the constitution needed to be limited because the state felt that there is some sensitive information of the state that the government must have the right to keep away from the public. Another aspect was that of forcing journalists and whistle blowers who held sensitive information from the state to be prosecuted so as to enable the state acquire information from the affected parties. To prove that SA is a true democracy, this bill was never let off the hook and had to be discussed in the parliament until certain provisions which proved to be unconstitutional were repealed.

Enactment of Laws in SA do not just pass without being referred to the Constitutional Court to prove their constituency before being signed by the president. Any law found to contravene the provisions of the constitution as the supreme law of the country will be deemed null and void. That's how true democracy work my friend.

Msauza:

Every country has crime, whether true or pseudo democratic.

Here are the signs that one country has a pseudo democracy;

-High activities of rebels and insugency
-Rigging of votes
-Military coups
-Dictatorship and authoritarianism
-Harassment and killing of civilians by military for no good cause

chris365:

wrong!! That's according to your type of democracy.

Democracyis not a sharply defined form of government that would need to be implemented in just one and no other way. Both in theoryand in practice there are as many systems of democracy than democratic countries. Nevertheless there are some general features as well as some groups of democratic systems that may be distinguished from each other.

You need to educate yourself a lot more and try leaving your enclave before you go about embarassing youself. Life doesn't evolve around south africa

We have our own system of democracy just like you have yours. So stay the f*ck out of ours.

That's why Naijapikingidi accused you south africans of always claiming false informations as fact.

chris365:

wrong!! That's according to your type of democracy.

Democracyis not a sharply defined form of government that would need to be implemented in just one and no other way. Both in theoryand in practice there are as many systems of democracy than democratic countries. Nevertheless there are some general features as well as some groups of democratic systems that may be distinguished from each other.

You need to educate yourself a lot more and try leaving your enclave before you go about embarassing youself. Life doesn't evolve around south africa

We have our own system of democracy just like you have yours. So stay the f*ck out of ours.

That's why Naijapikingidi accused you south africans of always claiming false informations as fact.

Msauza:

That I know, yes we have a plethora of systems of democracy, but the question stand, is everybody happy with the kind of democracy you practice in Nigeria? The answer is a big NO. There is still high activities of insugency in Naija including rigging of votes. Rigging of votes clearly shows that the will of the majority which is the foundation of democracy has been trampled upon, thus becoming pseudo democracy.

patriot4:
in those videos, it is the corruption of your political system that is exposed.
moreover your talk about military coups is an other hypocrisy: When Nigeria was a dictatorship, south africa was a racist state which held down more than 70% of its population. It is that same Nigeria that fought against the apartheid racist regim right from 1970. Nigeria was the first significant country to start that fight, and at the beginning the west and most countries who joined later on were all mocking Nigeria for Siding juctice in south africa and they said we would never archieve our goal! well your liberty is a proof we archieved our goal.
And once again, our military doesn't kill civilians. Stop spreading lies on us, you should better use your freedom (which we fought for) to do better things.
By the way I recall that your current military brass are former south african rebels and that they committed a lot of rape and killing of civilian women and children.
So at least be smart enough to not throw stones when you live in a glass house.

Msauza:

We are speaking the current and here you are on about the history. Did Nigeria ever managed to achieve true democracy since its independence? Don't tell me about corruption, because it is just another form of crime termed embezzlement. SA after 1994 did manage to achieve true democracy and that's a fact.

patriot4: There is no rigging of votes in Nigeria. But I can assure you that there is rigging of votes in south africa. By the way, wasn't zuma a rapist ?

Msauza:

Rigging of votes in SA? You are indeed sick. Everybody in the world knows that the ANC of Mandela is the most supported party in SA and there is no opposition party that come close to that, except in the western cape where Democratic Alliance reigns. We have IEC here in South Africa which monitors polls ensuring free and fair elections.

patriot4: There is no rigging of votes in Nigeria. But I can assure you that there is rigging of votes in south africa. By the way, wasn't zuma a rapist ?