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Nigerian need to go to school. which money did Akingbola take from you. Bank stock raise and fall. He did not take your money, they are only trying to fool you to sell your stock at cheap rate. Do not do that.

What did they use the money to do, they expand the number of banks. and it takes time for you to see your return. The CBN lack knowledge and were bias the way it handle the thing.

CBN of Nigeria have done wrong. You cant steal someone bank and want to sell  the bank and claim you pump invisible money into the bank.  That is stealling and that is what the central bank of Nigeria did. And to be honest with you, no real investor would come to nigeria. The india cell phone company would leave too very soon. because nigeria government would wake up and claim it took over the company.

They do not do business this way. What happen is in nigerian people steal money. And when Obasanjo ask bank to list, it because difficult to steal. This thieves had to look for a way to steal . And they went to steal from the banks.



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all offering is looted money in one way or d other. it's in d bible that money is d root of all evil.
even d money u collected through honest means at work. do u know how it got into ur boss/company's hands? etc and on and on.
IMO, once it enters d offering coffers, it is blessed and restored.

on a sidenote: God forgive all ye blasphemers.

^^ Oyinda,

Does this include money from ritual killers, Looted, armed robbers, strippers, pros-titutes and money gotten by defrauding people of their hard earned money

yup. do u know d history of d money in ur pocket? how many and whose hands it is been passed through?
how is that money holier than d one in the stripper's hands?

A lot of comments here seem prejudiced to me. So if a man steals money and use it tar the road that leads to his village the village is obliged to refund the loot to the public?
You guys should address the real issue and leave innocent men of God out of it.
Haba! Dont you people fear God at all?

oyinda.:

all offering is looted money in one way or d other. it's in d bible that money is d root of all evil.
even d money u collected through honest means at work. do u know how it got into your boss/company's hands? etc and on and on.
IMO, once it enters d offering coffers, it is blessed and restored.

on a sidenote: God forgive all ye blasphemers.

This is just ridiculous and sad.

Maybe you need to go back to your bible and see that offerings are a form of worship to God, god does not eat your money. Worship to be acceptable comes from a pure heart.

Read

4."But Abel brought fat portions from some of the firstborn of his flock. The LORD looked with favor on Abel and his offering,

5. but on Cain and his offering he did not look with favor. So Cain was very angry, and his face was downcast.".
6.Then the LORD said to Cain, "Why are you angry? Why is your face downcast? If you do what is right, will you not be accepted?

7.But if you do not do what is right, sin is crouching at your door; it desires to have you, but you must master it (Genesis 4:4-7).

Any pastor who tells you once your money goes into the coffers it becomes ''holy'', ''restored'' and ''acceptable'' is a liar and thief and is the real blasphemer you should be worried about.

Gentlemen and ladies, please can anybody tell me the exact money the duo donated to the RCCG?
Are there any of such records to show that they donated any money at all to the RCCG?

What exactly informed the poster in bringing up this hilarious topic?
We are just busy pursuing shadows here and beating the air

@Dayokanu
read nijakings post and re-read all deboksy said and stop making stupid comments

are you not supposed to be enlightened?

if you make spurious comments and you noticed your flaw, stfu
thats makes you sensible

how you equate abachas loot to akingbolas ouster is a wonder

u need a spirtitual help

tkb417:

@Dayokanu
read nijakings post and re-read all deboksy said and stop making silly comments

are you not supposed to be enlightened?

if you make spurious comments and you noticed your flaw, stfu
thats makes you sensible

how you equate abachas loot to akingbolas ouster is a wonder

u need a spirtitual help

Sorry o, since you are ''enlightened'' could you tell us the difference between IBB, OBJ, Abacha and Akingbola's looting?

Tudór:

Sorry o, since you are ''enlightened'' could you tell us the difference between IBB, OBJ, Abacha and Akingbola's looting?

ill assume u have sense

IBB = never prosecuted till date ( means hes not guilty of any offence)
OBJ - Never prosecuted till date ( not guilty of any offence yet)
Abacha - Never till he died. His son was prosecuted

Akingbola is being prosecuted ( not pronounced guilty yet by any Nigerian Court)

whats ur point?

Akingbola is facing persecution both home and abroad; he was sent away from RCCG
so how is this the same thing with IBB and OBJ?

maybe im slow, whats the link between Akingbola and OBJ for instance?

Too many Pastor and GO lovers on NL.

Note: The Church (and its servants) is not equal to the Creator.

Why the insults/argument/judgement over what is not your business?
We 'll all leave this world someday and face the ultimate JUDGEMENT.
Then we shall see GOD when he passes the judgements.
You guys should mind your business and focus on making heaven instead of disturbing medula oblaganta over what could make you sin.
GOD knows if u are worst than who u are accussin.
DO GOOD!

MONEY!!! it is spirit that when ever you relate with it it put you in to trouble and when you run away from it it put you to shame. I think every body on this forum likes money because we are all human , therefore we dont condemn man of God too ,because no matter there holliness they will still exhibit there human nature , so for me am not blaming any man of God because they are also human.
the issue of this money , i think we need God to intervene and guide those Men of God to the spiritual realms to eneble them speak the truth ' cos they are still existing now in a human realms. QED

tkb417:

ill assume u have sense

IBB = never prosecuted till date ( means hes not guilty of any offence)
OBJ - Never prosecuted till date ( not guilty of any offence yet)
Abacha - Never till he died. His son was prosecuted

Akingbola is being prosecuted ( not pronounced guilty yet by any Nigerian Court)

whats your point?

Akingbola is facing persecution both home and abroad; he was sent away from RCCG
so how is this the same thing with IBB and OBJ?

maybe im slow, whats the link between Akingbola and OBJ for instance?

Good, so according to you OBJ, Abacha and IBB are all ''innocent'' in the eyes of the law hence the church should waste no time receiving hefty financial donations from them and appointing them to pastorships?

Thanks for enlightening me.

BTW, why was akingbola ''sent away'' from RCCG? I thought he was ''innocent'' in the eyes of the church until proven guilty in court??

Tudór:

Good, so according to you OBJ, Abacha and IBB are all ''innocent'' in the eyes of the law hence the church should waste no time receiving hefty financial donations from them and appointing them to pastorships?

Thanks for enlightening me.

BTW, why was akingbola ''sent away'' from RCCG? I thought he was ''innocent'' in the eyes of the church until proven guilty in court??

so OBJ is a pastor in RCCG?

Akingbola was sacked for financial recklessness by CBN so that is enough for the church to sack him too

and oh yeah, if the law enforcement agents trace some of the cash to the church, im sure the church would return the money
as it it, all donations given by Akingbola was from his personal pocket.

if otherwise, let the Police do their job and recover the excess

Hes rich enough to give all he gave to the church

@tudor
I 'm very much in line with you, and you seems to be reasonable on ur postings. Keep it up!

tkb417:

so OBJ is a pastor in RCCG?

Akingbola was sacked for financial recklessness by CBN so that is enough for the church to sack him too

and oh yeah, if the law enforcement agents trace some of the cash to the church, im sure the church would return the money
as it it, all donations given by Akingbola was from his personal pocket.

if otherwise, let the Police do their job and recover the excess

Hes rich enough to give all he gave to the church

Cool, so you concede Pastor Akingbola is a THIEF, and RCCG consider him a THIEF too thats why he was dismissed.

1. Does God accept the offerings of thieves?

2. Does it matter to God in receiving offerings which account either personal income or looted income of a thief or does God consider the personality of the Giver?

3. If God does not receive offerings from thieves, what is RCCG's justification for keeping same?

There is no point attempting to debate with people who have a predetermined mindset.

The facts of the matter are clear - till anyone can tell how much was looted, and how much of this came to RCCG, there is no basis for any return.

To return 'looted offering' presumes that you have determined that the offering was indeed LOOTED. Without such a determination, you have nothing to stand on.

The only way this can be determined is through an investigation by a competent body, coupled with a court determining whether he his guilty or otherwise and thus facilitating the refund of any such proceeds of crime.

You guys can shout yourselves hoarse trying to paint the RCCG in bad light - that is your stock-in-trade already.

debosky, You about the only reasonable person on this thread in my opnion, for people like dayokanu and Tudor this thread is not about Akingbola being a thief, there main focus is RCCG and in hence Adeboye. Tudor supports her points with quotes from a bible she does not believe in, she knows what God wants and what he doesn't want yet she says that same God does not exist. Dayokanu just have a personal thing agains RCCG

So I think it's just a complete waste of time trying to argure with these guys.

debosky:

There is no point attempting to debate with people who have a predetermined mindset.

The facts of the matter are clear - till anyone can tell how much was looted, and how much of this came to RCCG, there is no basis for any return.

To return 'looted offering' presumes that you have determined that the offering was indeed LOOTED. Without such a determination, you have nothing to stand on.

The only way this can be determined is through an investigation by a competent body, coupled with a court determining whether he his guilty or otherwise and thus facilitating the refund of any such proceeds of crime.

You guys can shout yourselves hoarse trying to paint the RCCG in bad light - that is your stock-in-trade already.

Isnt the hypocrisy on display here sickening?

Why didnt RCCG wait for a ''competent body'' or ''court'' to convict him before dismissing Akingbola form his position?

All of a sudden when it comes to Money they deflect to a phantom ''competent body''. What a joke

I asked this question before, no answer was provided.
Am going to ask again; how much of the loot from Akingbola and Ibru was given to RCCG by way of offerings? .

If we are able to ascertain, then let's call EFCC

Tudór:

Isnt the hypocrisy on display here sickening?

Why didnt RCCG wait for a ''competent authority'' to convict him before dismissing Akingbola form his position?

All of a sudden when it comes to Money they deflect to a phantom ''competent authority''. What a joke

.

And how will RCCG determine offerings from stolen money? Or How could RCCG have known that Akingbola was a thief and his offerings from that stolen money before the EFCC went after him?

Tudór:

Cool, so you concede Pastor Akingbola is a THIEF, and RCCG consider him a THIEF too thats why he was dismissed.

1. Does God accept the offerings of thieves?

2. Does it matter to God in receiving offerings which account either personal income or looted income of a thief or does God consider the personality of the Giver?

3. If God does not receive offerings from thieves, what is RCCG's justification for keeping same?

1. The offering was made before Akingbola was derobed/sacked. Let God decide what he'll do with him
   
2> God considers the personality of the Giver hence the reason why Cains offering was unacceptable. RCCG is not God and Adeboye isnt God either. The offer was to God not to Adeboye

3. Let us determine how much of the offering was illegally acquired before you can shout. What if the part he gave was from what he legally made

akingbola is a rich man just like Jim Ovia and co.

Why is Christianity so controversial and volatile amongst Christians. The faith has been overwhelmingly denominated to the extent that churhes dont see eye to eye in their mode of worship and preachings. This idea of getting a call has become so fraudulently applied that you wonder what these calls are all about. Different versions of the bible that do not seem to be saying the same thing on issues makes the whole religion confusing.

Take this for consideration: celestial church goers cant worship in cherubim and seraphim; CAC will not worship in Apostolic Faith; Jehovah's Witness will not worship in any other church; Assembly of God totally distance from Church of Latter Saints; Anglican will not worship in Catholic, Methodist is averse to Baptist, Presbyterians will not go to worship in African Church of Christ, the Pentecostals are worst, Redeemers stay off Winners, RHEMA averse to Deeper Life, KICC is not worshiping with Love World; Latter Rain members will not touch Household of God for worship. Synagogue is a different case entirely. You can continue till JESUS comes.

Yet they are all christians, they are all churches, they are all pastors, reverends, archbishops, prophets, cardinals, etc. The faith has become polarised, diluted and corrupted with human minds and interests. These interests include politics, culture, tradition, heresy, commerce, sexualism, regionalism, tribalism, cultism and professional consultancy. The doctrine polarisation and pollution in christianity today started with the Roman adoption of the faith as a state religion and further corrupted by the political differences beween the Pope and the English King that led to the emergency of Anglican church. It has become a curse such that once there is leadership and doctrine dispute/tussle in the church, the resultant effect is the church breakage into factions leading ultimately to the emergence of another nomenclatured denomination with the leading pastor claiming receiving a divine call. Greed Control and Power is the root cause of all these tributaries.

That is why church has become a huge socio-economic organisation with mission statements, visions, targets, business principles and policies, operational strategies, business development models, expansionism and diversification plans and programmes. The goals have become profit oriented, publicity and advertisement, product innovations and packaging, mergers and acquisitions.

In Nigeria, while commercial businesses are collapsing, the church businesses are booming, the former premises of commerce have being taken over by church branches, chapels, parishes and chapters. Where there is poverty and deprivation, church business grows. Where there is ignorance and lack of study, lies, concoction and manipulations rules. The real BIBLE says my people perishes for lack of knowledge. An African idiom says, in the land of blind people, a one-eyed person becomes the ruler.

Nigerians go to school but dont study, dont research, dont query, dont analyse, dont show objectivity, dont antagonise, very complacent, very timid and feeble minded, dont display intelectual capability when it comes to religion. That is why they remain experimental tools in the hands of challatans calling themselves men of GOD. The question is who is not a man of GOD and who will call himself a man of Devil.

Search me!!!!!!

tkb417:

1. The offering was made before Akingbola was derobed/sacked. Let God decide what he'll do with him
   
2> God considers the personality of the Giver hence the reason why Cains offering was unacceptable. RCCG is not God and Adeboye isnt God either. The offer was to God not to Adeboye

3. Let us determine how much of the offering was illegally acquired before you can shout. What if the part he gave was from what he legally made

akingbola is a rich man just like Jim Ovia and co.

1. So are you saying Akingbola was not a thief in the sight of God until EFCC exposed him?

2. Are you also of the opinion Akingbola the thief's offering was acceptable to God?

3. It's Good you say the offering was made to God not Adeboye. If God does not accept offering of thieves, Why is Adeboye and RCCG battling to hold onto money God didnt accept in the first place and waiting for court order like debosky says?

4. if it was not accepted by God as God does not receive offerings from thieves, why is RCCG still keeping the money?

5. i also repeat that God does not differentiate the legal or illegal income of a thief. As long as you are a thief God will not accept your offering. So why is RCCG actively trying to claim his offerings are from his legal income when it is infact inconsequential to God which is which as they are all unacceptable and unholy as long as the giver is a thief??

@Tudor

What exactly is your point here?
On what grounds are you accusing the RCCG?

And, who told these dimwits that any/all of the money Akingbola donated was looted? A man working in high positions all his life can afford to donate money as he likes. Our "pull him down" mentality is disgusting.

Honestly, i still don't understand this noise about Akingbola donating the so called looted money the RCCG.
Is really embarrassing.

tudor or is it a tudor battery how and why would u come under such a platform to insult men of God why dont u just allow God to do the judge in a case like this do u know what u are doing at all but it is so unfortunate that you do dont have a generation cos if u had u would have thought of it twice before coming to such a platform without anyone cautioning your dumb and blank round thing you call a brain.be careful or else the whole of your generation and generations to come will neva see this thru(not a curse),

Mr Gunnu:

tudor or is it a tudor battery how and why would u come under such a platform to insult men of God why dont u just allow God to do the judge in a case like this do u know what u are doing at all but it is so unfortunate that you do dont have a generation cos if u had u would have thought of it twice before coming to such a platform without anyone cautioning your dumb and blank round thing you call a brain.be careful or else the whole of your generation and generations to come will neva see this thru(not a curse),

.

In as much as i don't agree with Tudor in her comments, but i bet to disassociate myself from the way you have painted Tudor. There is freedom of expression and opinion. So, please sir let's take it easy.

Mr Gunnu:

tudor or is it a tudor battery how and why would u come under such a platform to insult men of God why dont u just allow God to do the judge in a case like this do u know what u are doing at all but it is so unfortunate that you do dont have a generation cos if u had u would have thought of it twice before coming to such a platform without anyone cautioning your dumb and blank round thing you call a brain.be careful or else the whole of your generation and generations to come will neva see this thru[b](not a curse) [/b],

HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA which soap did tudor use to bath today?

So are you saying Akingbola was not a thief in the sight of God until EFCC exposed him?

sight of God but not sight of Adeboye; Adeboye is not God

2. Are you also of the opinion Akingbola the thief's offering was acceptable to God?

do you think an adulterers offering is acceptable to God? or a liar? all have sinned and come short of the glory of God. By your postulation, everybodys offering will not be acceptable to God. Let God decide who and who he takes offering from. I dont know what God wants. I am human not God and i doubt ure God too

3. It's Good you say the offering was made to God not Adeboye. If God does not accept offering of thieves, Why is Adeboye and RCCG battling to hold onto money God didnt accept in the first place and waiting for court order like debosky says?

tell us how you want Adeboye to know which of the offerings came from the illegally acquired wealth. Akingbola is a rich man just like Ovia i repeat. He built the bank from scratch so u shd know how rich he is

4. if it was not accepted by God as God does not receive offerings from thieves, why is RCCG still keeping the money?

5. i also repeat that God does not differentiate the legal or illegal income of a thief. As long as you are a thief God will not accept your offering. So why is RCCG actively trying to claim his offerings are from his legal income when it is infact inconsequential to God which is which as they are all unacceptable and unholy as long as the giver is a thief?

see applicable comments above