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Re: Is Rccg And Pastor Adeboye Obliged To Return Akingbola Looted Offering? by anonimi: 5:34pm On Jul 22, 2010
steveolu:

Hi guys, "its a dangerous thing to fall into the hands of the almighty God".
Pls note that God has not put the cane of any of His anointed in the hands
of any human being.

Why not allow God to judge them, He's the best judge and knows the
intent of every man's heart.
Some comments in this thread are very very dangerous.

My sincere advice is, "watch what u post"

I recommend you go through the following Bible based article. I wish you a thoughtful reading.
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Touch not my anointed!

I challenge all who say this phrase to read this whole article through prayerfully and with an open mind and heart.

Loyalty is a good thing if it is for the right purpose and for truth. One certainly does not want to be loyal and find they have pledged their allegiance to something that is false.

“He who justifies the wicked, and he who condemns the just, both of them alike are an abomination to the LORD” (Proverbs 17:150

But for one to find out what is true or false they must look into matter and hear both sides before they make a final judgment. “The heart of the prudent acquires knowledge, and the ear of the wise seeks knowledge” (Proverbs 18:15).

In a time of catchy phrases and clichés', Christians can be no different. What does the Bible mean when it says not to touch God’s anointed? It’s not my opinion or yours that matters; but what God’s Word have to say about this that really counts? I certainly wish the people that repeat this phrase would read it in its context, 'the Lord's anointed', is a reference to the kings of the nation of Israel (1Sam. 12:3,5; 24:6,10; 26:9,11, 16,23; 2 Sam. 1:14,16; 19:21; Psalm 20:6; Lam. 4:20). The mention of prophets, is a reference to the patriarchs (Psalm 105:8-15; 1Chron. 16:15-22). It is used exclusively in the Old Testament.
Ps 105:11-15 Saying, “To you I will give the land of Canaan as the allotment of your inheritance,” When they were few in number, indeed very few, and strangers in it. When they went from one nation to another, from one kingdom to another people, “He permitted no one to do them wrong; yes, He rebuked kings for their sakes, Saying, “Do not touch My anointed ones, and do My prophets no harm.”  Notice in this Scripture that God protected His anointed (who was Israel) and His prophets from the enemies of Israel to bring physical harm.

The first thing one should notice is that the word touch actually means physical harm. What it does not mean is saying something about another person publicly that is true. How do we know this? Because that's exactly what David did about Saul. It was David who said he would not harm God’s anointed, who was King Saul at the time but He spoke out publicly about him.

Not only David, but Samuel “touched God's anointed,” as he spoke out against the kings disobedience. God told Saul to “Smite Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and spare them not, ” (1 Sam. 15:3). But instead, he spoke a half truth and “spared the best of the sheep and of the oxen, to sacrifice unto the Lord, ” (v.15). Samuel said it was rebellion like witchcraft and idolatry (v.24). Because he did not obey the Word of the Lord he would be removed being king. Saul admitted he feared the people and obeyed their voice. What a crucial thing to learn of Saul who was God's anointed.

In1 Sam.16:13-16 we find David who was shepherd boy was anointed before God took away Saul’s position. David refused to touch Saul physically but it didn’t stop him from telling everyone the truth about him publicly.

David not raising his hand to touch (harm physically) God’s anointed is used in 1 Sam.26:9,11,23. Look at 1 Sam.26:11: tells us that David would not stretch his hand out to touch him (harm him); instead he sneaked up and took Saul’s spear and water jug. In verse 15 David rebukes Abner for not guarding Saul and says he deserved to die. Saul hears the commotion and comes out, and David rebukes Saul before all his troops, asking why he is pursuing David’s life since he is innocent -- that the king has come out to seek a flea. Saul then repented for his rash behavior and called himself a fool. David returned Saul’s possessions and said, “For the Lord delivered you into my hand but I would not stretch out my hand against the Lord’s anointed.” Notice what this means, not to bring physical harm.

1 Samuel 24:10 “Look, this day your eyes have seen that the LORD delivered you today into my hand in the cave, and someone urged me to kill you. But my eye spared you, and I said, ‘I will not stretch out my hand against my lord, for he is the Lord's anointed.” “And David said to Abishai, “Do not destroy him; for who can stretch out his hand against the Lord's anointed, and be guiltless?”(1 Sam. 26:9)

Saul was anointed as King over Israel he had a position of rulership that was soon to be over. Knowing he was next in line David refused to physically touch the king as God’s anointed and remove him from his position prematurely. It was God, not David who would remove Saul from his position (26:8-10).

We should notice an important part in this story, it was Saul who was pursuing David, hunting him down and trying to kill him. The Bible story has Saul whose position was threatened, pursuing to kill David who was innocent. Isn’t this what we see today? Those who are in a greater position of leadership going after people who are anointed that are challenging them in what they are saying and doing as wrong. From their position they have trained people to listen to them and willing to silence their challengers. They do this by going after them with Bible threats such as “don’t touch God’s anointed” or you are committing the “blasphemy the Holy Spirit” when you speak against another “man of God.” Ignoring the fact that blasphemy meant one is saying that Jesus’ miracles were done by an unclean spirit, not about questioning another mans alleged miracles. Those of the flesh are pursuing those who are of the Spirit, just as Saul did to David. Those who are following the Spirit of the Lord go to His Word to keep themselves in the truth no matter what the opposition may say.

It’s interesting that in Rev. 6:9 John writes “When He opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of those who had been slain for the word of God and for the testimony which they held.” They were killed because they held to the Word against the opposition and so they became martyrs. Those who apostatize from the Word always hate those who keep it.

We find the story of Saul ends with David kept from the Battle that Saul and Jonathan lost their lives in, instead he fought the Amalakites. An Amalakite messenger came back with torn clothes and dust on his head showing he was in mourning, David inquired of him and he told David he killed Saul. “So David said to him, “How was it you were not afraid to put forth your hand to destroy the LORD's anointed?” Then David called one of the young men and said, “Go near, and execute him!” And he struck him so that he died. So David said to him, “Your blood is on your own head, for your own mouth has testified against you, saying, 'I have killed the LORD's anointed.’”(2 Sam 1:13-16) Again it is clear, to touch the anointed means to bring physical harm, most often death. But if you spiritualize it, it can mean anything you want. 2 Sam 1:17-19 David took up this lament concerning Saul and his son Jonathan, and ordered that the men of Judah be taught this lament of the bow (it is written in the Book of Jashar): “Your glory, O Israel, lies slain on your heights. How the mighty have fallen!” Each time is about those who were killed. David did not relish the fact that God's anointed was apostate and met his end, he wept.

Since most of these so called anointed teachers that come under their follower’s protection teach the Word out of context, its not surprising that they would quote a verse of Scripture removed  from its correct meaning for their own self- protection. Those who shout don’t touch God’s anointed think they are doing God’s work, but they rarely ever look at the facts presented. They listen to their teachers and do not want to hear the other side of the story. They cut themselves off from hearing the truth. And some, even when they are shown false teachings and prophecies do not care, but look to some personality who captured their loyalty. They become enemies of all reason, their own worst enemy. They do not realize they have been trained well, and like Pavlov’s dogs, react the same way each time. It's time to break free!

What are we supposed to do?

Its easy not to confront falsehood today, but it has become easy to confront those who point it out. How many people tell others not to touch the so-called anointed ever check out the claims from someone who has real concerns, and is trying to get them to read about it? I can tell you from experience, very few. Why is this? Because for the most part they can’t read the material, or should I be more specific and say, they are not allowed to. Again I ask why?

It was an apostle named Paul who called the Berean’s more noble than the others. For what reason? They looked to the Scripture to see if what Paul was teaching was accurate. Today those who protect their favorite teachers say don’t touch God’s anointed for doing this. Paul never said, “Touch not God’s anointed” or “do my prophets no harm”; you will never find an apostle teach this, nor is this found ONCE in the whole New Testament. I ask again why not? Paul was questioned, why didn’t he say this? The apostle Paul called those who checked out what he said as noble, meaning they were a better stock than the others. How noble are you? Do you go wherever the tide goes? Are you willing to take a stand for the truth of the Word of God despite what people say, or will you follow the rest of the sheep off the cliff.

To tell people not to search the Scriptures and expose false teaching as David exposed King Saul is to be touching God’s anointed. You are stopping people who have God’s anointed word from using it correctly! Even David later on in his ministry as King accepted rebuke and correction from Nathan the prophet. He did not say, “don’t touch God’s anointed” to protect himself, and neither should those who follow their leaders do the same.

Who are the anointed?

John 17:17 “Sanctify them by Your truth. Your word is truth.” Unless someone is speaking the word correctly they are not teaching the truth and it doesn’t matter if they call themselves anointed, or how big or successful a ministry they have, they are WRONG.

What do the anointed man and women of God act like? Do they stop you from going to check their teachings or anyone else’s by the Word? Of course not, Titus 1:9 “holding fast the faithful word as he has been taught, that he may be able, by sound doctrine, both to exhort and convict those who contradict.”

No apostle ever said they were anointed, they did not speak in this manner; “don’t touch me I’m God’s anointed.” If someone is truly anointed, they would want to encourage the people to discern what is true and what is not. They would encourage people to pursue truth no matter where it would lead. They would love the sheep enough to protect them from falsehood and want to see them grow. They would allow the sheep to learn and think for themselves. The anointing, who is the Holy Spirit is the Spirit of Truth and someone who has the Spirit of Truth will never run from seeing error but will confront it when necessary. He will give someone the truth from the Word, subsequently leading us away from error.

We also need to ask the question who is anointed? The Bible tells us the whole body of Christ is, not just some certain people in the body. 2 Cor. 1:20-22 “Now He who establishes us with you in Christ and has anointed us is God, who also has sealed us and given us the Spirit in our hearts as a guarantee”

Let me ask those who use the phrase “touch not God’s anointed”, do you believe that only a certain teacher is anointed or can you admit that the whole body is anointed? If so, stop using this Scripture from the Old Testament as if there are only certain people anointed, like prophets or kings. Are there only a certain few leaders who are the anointed of God? Use it correctly.

The New Testament view identifies the anointed as all those who have received Jesus into their hearts and baptized into the body (1 Corinthians 12:13). It is not a certain church or group of people who are supposed leaders over the Church like the kings or prophets in the Old Testament; the whole body of Christ is anointed. When someone insists for people not to say anything when they see something wrong, it is THEY that are coming against the anointed. For everyone shares the same anointing. Before one gives the standard cliché to protect a favorite teacher with “don’t touch my anointed” to someone who is searching what the Scripture actually says, you should think this through. It just may be that it is you who are touching the anointed Jesus, the author of truth, His Word.

The New Testament teaching is that all Christians have the same anointing, the same Holy Spirit. I Jn. 2:27 “But the anointing which you have received from Him abides in you, and you do not need that anyone teach you; but as the same anointing teaches you concerning all things, and is true, and is not a lie, and just as it has taught you, you will abide in Him.” How does he teach? By the Word of God, by this we know what is true and false. Prior to this John wrote “But you have an anointing from the Holy One, and you know all things. I have not written to you because you do not know the truth, but because you know it, and that no lie is of the truth” (I Jn. 2:20-21). So if someone speaks something false about Christ (which is what John is concentrating on) or His word they are not speaking by the Spirit and not presenting truth. This is made simple enough for everyone to understand. John says they already know the truth; this was by being born again, by His teaching and the New Testament being circulated throughout the whole church.

We need to ask are they teaching the Bible from the Bible or are they teaching the Bible by another outside interpretation leading you into an experience, or possibly a spirit they think is the Holy Spirit? Doctrine keeps us in communion with Jesus. If they tell you to not bother with doctrine and all you need is love or an experience, run from this because it is a lie. The Bible states “Whosoever transgresses and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, HATH NOT GOD. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son” (2 John 1:9) “That you may charge some that they teach no other doctrine” (1 Timothy 1:3). Where is the doctrine found? In the Scriptures of course.

Ps. 105:14-15 “He permitted no one to do them wrong; yes, He rebuked kings for their sakes, Saying, “Do not touch My anointed ones, and do My prophets no harm.” He permitted no one to do them wrong. Who is he? God. The whole people of Israel were appointed to be a kingdom of priests and kings unto God; they were set apart to his service, it was God who protected them from physical harm. We know this is the context because v.13 states they went from nation to another, from kingdom to another people.” Prophets and the kings of Israel did not care too much about what others said about them, but they did care about what the enemies said of God. In the same sense, those who are saying this phrase today: are you protecting God’s word or a person?

It is God who protects His anointed, “Now I know that the LORD saves His anointed; He will answer him from His holy heaven with the saving strength of His right hand. Some trust in chariots, and some in horses; but we will remember the name of the LORD our God” (Psalm 20:6-7). “The LORD is their strength, and He is the saving refuge of His anointed” (Psalm 28:cool. If you are anointed you don’t have to make threats, “You will keep him in perfect peace, whose mind is stayed on You, because he trusts in You” (Isa. 26:3). Could these anointed men who threaten others be reacting in the flesh and not in His Spirit? Apparently so!

First: we are not to judge a man and his eternal destiny which is left up to God, but if we see their teachings as destructive, the Bible tells us to judge, it is a command. So if you are telling people not to judge by repeating the Scripture “touch not my anointed” you are telling them to be disobedient to God's command. That’s the clear and simple answer to this matter. So it has absolutely nothing to do with this cliché touch not my anointed. To hold to this shows ones immaturity in the Word.

Looking at the purpose of touch not God’s anointed, excludes the concept about judging. Most people who say don’t judge will go ahead and take apart everything someone presents as they explain that we are told to judge according to the Bible. For them to say don’t judge is a judgment in itself. But they cannot see the inconsistency in what they are actually doing.

It is the word of God that we use to Judge someone’s teaching and that is not My personal judgment, but God’s, so by obeying this we are doing EXACTLY what Jesus said, to JUDGE righteously. John 7:24 Jesus said: “Do not judge according to appearance, but judge with righteous judgment”, so we see Jesus did tell us to judge. Also if one examines Mt.7:1-5 in context they find that Jesus says if you have removed the same stumbling block from your eye and can clearly then go ahead and help your brother. 2nd it appears many have listened to men more than God, for the Bible scriptures that they are quoting need to read it in context. It is the self appointed leaders have trained people to think this way and by calling themselves anointed, they have made their followers go after people who say anything about them for their protection. The problem is evident; they can only quote a few certain verses that tell people not say anything about anyone.

Peter, Paul and John did a lot of judging the Biblical way. Every second epistle written is a judgment on false teaching explaining the truth by refuting the error. In 2 Timothy 2:17 he warns of the heresies of two men by name. Later in the same epistle (4:10), Paul judges by warning them about a man named Demas. Paul did a lot of judging and evaluating when it came to false teachers. Remember this is inspired by the Holy Spirit; therefore we have a mandate to judge false doctrine. In the epistle to the Hebrews 5:14 tells us that mature believers, those who are of “full age,” are those who by reason of use have their senses exercised to discern (judge) both good and evil.” It takes time to learn and grow in discernment; it is those who are babes, immature hold the position that we can’t judge. Think about it.

We are not to sit idly by when we see personal spiritual revelations change God’s Word.  If  men and women cannot hold to the core doctrines and instead make up new revelations or interpret the Scripture from their dreams, visions, visitations from angels or saints we are to point out this is unbiblical teaching.  This is what the Bible says, “holding fast the faithful word as he has been taught, that he may be able, by sound doctrine, both to exhort and convict those who contradict” (Titus 1:9). It's not opinion, its not chasing down a certain person because of any dislike, its a Bible doctrine that we are to practice. Those who see the error are to remove themselves from those who teach it. “Now I urge you, brethren, note those who cause divisions and offenses, contrary to the doctrine which you learned, and avoid them” (Rom 16:17). If you say you love the Lord lets see it by obeying Him on this matter.

God has given us objective truth to live by. He has not made the truth so vague and open ended that it becomes a matter of anyone’s interpretation, the bible is not an open-ended book. He has given us clear-cut instructions that are valid and applicable today. God gave us an objective means to know and walk with Him, by living out His written Word. The sheep hear the voice of the Shepherd found in the Word, not in new words that men claim God gave them. The sheep will be drawn to the Word if they have any questions. When someone says they are “anointed” or “led by the Spirit” but consistently teach contrary to the Word in its accurate context, you can be assured that they’re not being led by His Spirit delivering truth. This is especially important on the core doctrines. This of course does mean we must be able to teach perfectly every time. What I’m trying to convey is that it takes time to study, labor and gain spiritual understanding of the Word correctly, that is our goal. When someone distorts and butchers the word, changing or discarding its meaning, then we can safely assume they have not spent time in the word, they do not care, or should not be teaching . When it gets bad enough, harmful enough, its time to speak up to protect the babes, the immature and the naïve from eating poison food. The only alternative is to address the public of already circulated false teaching that is undermining foundational tenets of our faith. We are supposed to be our brother’s keeper, some are to watch over the Church. To ignore this is to have their blood on our hands (Acts 20:26), to warn them shows the same love and concern that Christ has. It's a matter of love and truth that people do the research to see if what is said is so.

Source: Reason
Re: Is Rccg And Pastor Adeboye Obliged To Return Akingbola Looted Offering? by anonimi: 5:41pm On Jul 22, 2010
dayokanu:

This case is simple.

We accept that Adeboye didnt know Akingbola, OBj, Ibru, Oyinlola, Ibri and co were stealing money since he is often in celestial realms and not in touch with earthly affairs

But now that Akingbola, OBJ, Ibori, Ibru and co are found to have stolen/looted public funds, Shouldnt RCCG as an organisation return the stolen money?

When money matter reach everybody go turn to attorney and student of Law

hello- hi,

to the defenders of daddy GO (& his co-travellers in the corruption/scam vehicle abi na jet), nothing has been "proven" "legally" against them YET. Neither has daddy god of daddy GO deemed it fit to tell/whisper/reveal to him the kleptomaniac tendencies of his business club members.
somebody shout hallelujah!!!
Re: Is Rccg And Pastor Adeboye Obliged To Return Akingbola Looted Offering? by Asia(m): 5:59pm On Jul 22, 2010
may God forgive y'll. I just pray He does. Read your bible before condemning others.
Re: Is Rccg And Pastor Adeboye Obliged To Return Akingbola Looted Offering? by mystikal(m): 6:23pm On Jul 22, 2010
Let the Corruption Czars do their job. . . . . . .Having said that, some of these Pastors are just thieves
Re: Is Rccg And Pastor Adeboye Obliged To Return Akingbola Looted Offering? by tkb417(m): 6:41pm On Jul 22, 2010
I would have thought a popular man/Woman of God died in a plane crash some years back and IBB hasnt died in a plane crash just yet.
means what? not all curses carry same death

and who says men/women of God dont sin?

were you in her room to know what she did in her closet
Re: Is Rccg And Pastor Adeboye Obliged To Return Akingbola Looted Offering? by dayokanu(m): 6:44pm On Jul 22, 2010
tkb417:

means what? not all curses carry same death
and who says men/women of God dont sin?
were you in her room to know what she did in her closet


So probably GoDaddy is capable of sinning too by collecting money from Akingbola and co
Re: Is Rccg And Pastor Adeboye Obliged To Return Akingbola Looted Offering? by Skmoda360(m): 6:46pm On Jul 22, 2010
mystikal:

Let the Corruption Czars do their job. . . . . . .Having said that, some of these Pastors are just thieves
u beta be careful with the way u talk to a man of God.
Re: Is Rccg And Pastor Adeboye Obliged To Return Akingbola Looted Offering? by tkb417(m): 6:57pm On Jul 22, 2010
dayokanu:

So probably GoDaddy is capable of sinning too by collecting money from Akingbola and co
probably!!

wait till God proves hes a thief abi u think God no dey?

abi u wan help God do in work?
Re: Is Rccg And Pastor Adeboye Obliged To Return Akingbola Looted Offering? by MackDealer: 7:09pm On Jul 22, 2010
Can I ask a rather silly question here,

Do we have anybody on this forum who has money deposited at Intercontinetal and Oceanic and have not been able to get their money out?

I keep hearing this Akingbola and Ibru stole people's deposit, do we have anyone here who have not been able to get their money out of these banks?
Re: Is Rccg And Pastor Adeboye Obliged To Return Akingbola Looted Offering? by Abuse: 7:11pm On Jul 22, 2010
They cannot return the offerings but would vomit them when it starts purging their ass!!!
Re: Is Rccg And Pastor Adeboye Obliged To Return Akingbola Looted Offering? by donfade: 7:23pm On Jul 22, 2010
i do humbly beg you all never to talk about the church of God in a bad manner because by this you are bringing curse over your head please be guided let your hand distance itself away from your keyboard anytime it comes to church matters.
Re: Is Rccg And Pastor Adeboye Obliged To Return Akingbola Looted Offering? by ogajim(m): 7:31pm On Jul 22, 2010
What is it with some "Christians" and "curses"

Jesus Christ came and removed the ultimate CURSE from our lives and yet some feel they are still under some kind of curse for speaking the truth about anything! oga oooooo!
Re: Is Rccg And Pastor Adeboye Obliged To Return Akingbola Looted Offering? by daragrams(m): 7:35pm On Jul 22, 2010
it is not for us to judge any man of God, will who called them will be their judge.
Re: Is Rccg And Pastor Adeboye Obliged To Return Akingbola Looted Offering? by Darayola(m): 8:09pm On Jul 22, 2010
@tudor
U must be a silly goat to have uttered such a shabbish statement against men of God , Even if they are not What they claim to be, ur meant to leave them to God and not u likeling such to them,
Re: Is Rccg And Pastor Adeboye Obliged To Return Akingbola Looted Offering? by debosky(m): 9:00pm On Jul 22, 2010
Tudór:

This is shameful.
Can you point to any verse in the bible that claims for one to be quilty of sin, he or she ''MUST'' be convicted by the land?

I don't need to - the mere fact that the church is unable to determine whether or not the man is guilty of stealing from an institution under the auspices of the CBN (because it is not designed to do so) is sufficient. On the other hand, if he stole from the church, no external authority is needed. Do you see the distinction?


It seem you dont know what ''church'' is or what its ''core functions'' are according to scriptures. Sad to see ,most of you think '''church'' is any organisation that conducts services.

Lol - an atheist trying to tell me what a church's functions are. There is hope for you yet. cheesy


I suggest you read your bible again and see the true definition of church and how the early church worked then you'd know its the responsibility of the church to make sure members live a life of christ, follow them up in EVERY regard and excommunicate those who dont follow christs' example.

That is not so - you are to exhort one another to do good works, and help anyone who is failing or backsliding. The church cannot and will not pass judgement on a crime allegedly committed in a firm over which it exercises no control nor oversight.


Small question; Is Akingbola still a senior pastor at RCCG?

If he was dismissed; Why was he dismissed ?


Go ask the folks in RCCG.


Ehm, by asking the owner of the church itself aka Jesus.

Thanks - leave the asking and decisions to RCCG. wink


And If akingbola is known to have been an embezzler, all donations made by him should be returned. Its the right and biblical thing to do. God does not differentiate if its the loot or not. He doesnt accept any.

You still dodge the central question- how will Akingbola be 'known to be an embezzler'? By newspaper rumours or nairaland posts or through the judgement of a court of competent authority?


This isnt a matter of judgement. We are simply asking that they do the biblical thing and return all funds and gifts given by thieves.

If we want to claim 'biblical' I do not recall any 'returns' of money given by thieves in the bible. Kindly point out the verse for all to see.

NB - this does not imply that I support taking money from 'thieves', but let's examine the basis for making such claims.


Some charities have been known to refund donations from fraudulent people or donors who are not in tandem with their goals.

That is their prerogative - just as it is RCCG's, unless otherwise compelled.


Akingbola is a thief and has ruined lives, why should RCCG still hold on to his donations?

Like I've said many times - when you can tell us how he stole and how much of the thieving money was given to RCCG, then it can be returned.


On what biblical basis do they still keep the money? Obvously God did not accept the gift/offering, whats the logic behind keeping it besides greed?

How do you know God didn't accept the gift/offering? Do you know if/when his gifts stopped being acceptable to God?

Let God decide what is unacceptable to him and deal with things - His hand is not too short, neither is he unable to act. Thanks for the 'support', but God can fight his own battles.
Re: Is Rccg And Pastor Adeboye Obliged To Return Akingbola Looted Offering? by mystikal(m): 9:16pm On Jul 22, 2010
Skmoda-360:

u beta be careful with the way u talk to a man of God.

I hope you noticed I said[i] some[/i]
Re: Is Rccg And Pastor Adeboye Obliged To Return Akingbola Looted Offering? by james1(m): 9:26pm On Jul 22, 2010
hi house.
i must admit,this issue is dicey. lipsrsealed lipsrsealed lipsrsealed
Re: Is Rccg And Pastor Adeboye Obliged To Return Akingbola Looted Offering? by dayokanu(m): 9:49pm On Jul 22, 2010
james1:

hi house.
i must admit,this issue is dicey. lipsrsealed lipsrsealed lipsrsealed

Steal people money, return stole money, The thing turn to voice mail, Wetin dicey inside

tkb417:

probably!!

wait till God proves hes a thief abi u think God no dey?

abi u wan help God do in work?

Why didnt govt/Nigerians wait for God to judge Abacha, Rev King, Jesu oyingbo, Ibori, Alams, Tafa Balogun, IBB

MackDealer:

Can I ask a rather silly question here,

Do we have anybody on this forum who has money deposited at Intercontinetal and Oceanic and have not been able to get their money out?

I keep hearing this Akingbola and Ibru stole people's deposit, do we have anyone here who have not been able to get their money out of these banks?

Do you hear about people being laid off from these banks. I know sevral people who lost their means of livelihood because Akingbola was looting and giving to his accomplice GoDaddy
Re: Is Rccg And Pastor Adeboye Obliged To Return Akingbola Looted Offering? by debosky(m): 9:56pm On Jul 22, 2010
dayokanu:

Do you hear about people being laid off from these banks. I know sevral people who lost their means of livelihood because Akingbola was looting and giving to his accomplice GoDaddy

People have been laid off in almost all the banks - is all that due to alleged stealing or poor management?

You are now making your true intent known - a baseless link between the alleged corruption by Akingbola and Pastor Adeboye.
Re: Is Rccg And Pastor Adeboye Obliged To Return Akingbola Looted Offering? by sessy2(f): 10:01pm On Jul 22, 2010
Akingbola, Ibru and all the pastors should remember that, behind the farcade is reality and in that reality they'll face God one day, and then it will be God's perogative. so let them do wat they gat to do they'll explain on that day.
Re: Is Rccg And Pastor Adeboye Obliged To Return Akingbola Looted Offering? by dayokanu(m): 10:07pm On Jul 22, 2010
debosky:

People have been laid off in almost all the banks - is all that due to alleged stealing or poor management?

You are now making your true intent known - a baseless link between the alleged corruption by Akingbola and Pastor Adeboye.

The money stolen by Akingbola and Ibru where did the money come from? The asset seized where did it come from? How much is his annual salary plus allowance?
Re: Is Rccg And Pastor Adeboye Obliged To Return Akingbola Looted Offering? by Tudor6(f): 10:10pm On Jul 22, 2010
debosky:

I don't need to - the mere fact that the church is unable to determine whether or not the man is guilty of stealing from an institution under the auspices of the CBN (because it is not designed to do so) is sufficient. On the other hand, if he stole from the church, no external authority is needed. Do you see the distinction?
I dont see any distinction. Stealing is stealing irrespective of where it occurs and God frowns at all.

Lol - an atheist trying to tell me what a church's functions are. There is hope for you yet. cheesy
You no sabi anything about church.

That is not so - you are to exhort one another to do good works, and help anyone who is failing or backsliding. The church cannot and will not pass judgement on a crime allegedly committed in a firm over which it exercises no control nor oversight.
What does exhort good works mean? Does recieving money from a man mismanaging and embezzling sound like exhortation of good works to you?

Go ask the folks in RCCG.

Thanks - leave the asking and decisions to RCCG. wink

You still dodge the central question- how will Akingbola be 'known to be an embezzler'? By newspaper rumours or nairaland posts or through the judgement of a court of competent authority?
Em, Akingbola has been relieved of his pastoral duties and the G.O wouldnt touch him with a 10 foot pole.

Tell me, why did the church dismiss him? I thought the they were just ''allegations'' in an institution RCCG had no ''juridisction'' over?

They dismiss him and keep his money and gifts. . . . How swell

he's holed up abroad running from the law. . . Is that the way an innocent man behaves?

If we want to claim 'biblical' I do not recall any 'returns' of money given by thieves in the bible. Kindly point out the verse for all to see.

NB - this does not imply that I support taking money from 'thieves', but let's examine the basis for making such claims.
let me get this straight, are you suggesting its biblical to take money from thieves?

That is their prerogative - just as it is RCCG's, unless otherwise compelled.
Its not. Its the right thing to do. If the church doesnt wanna be associated with thieves, then return their donations.

What is the logic in preaching stealing as wrong then have no objections keeping money given by a thief?

Akingbola has ruined lives and even if all his assets are siezed they wouldnt cover the damage he has caused

Like I've said many times - when you can tell us how he stole and how much of the thieving money was given to RCCG, then it can be returned.
He is a thief, thieves should not be welcome in the church so also their money.

How do you know God didn't accept the gift/offering? Do you know if/when his gifts stopped being acceptable to God?

Let God decide what is unacceptable to him and deal with things - His hand is not too short, neither is he unable to act. Thanks for the 'support', but God can fight his own battles.
Em, Its well documented God does not accept the offerings of thieves; maybe at RCCG they now teach that he does. It figures
Re: Is Rccg And Pastor Adeboye Obliged To Return Akingbola Looted Offering? by sessy2(f): 10:14pm On Jul 22, 2010
What man calls wisdom makes me laff, wat this pastors call righteousness is not only ridiculous but prebousterous really really cant see the footsteps of God on their way.but who are mine? grin is becos Jesus christ is the leader of the church, and d pastors are suppose to represent him. jesus fed the poor, the pastors take away food from d poor, Jesus healed d sick, the pastors make money from our sickness on tv, Jesus dined wit d poor, d poor cannot sit wit our pastors one day we shall laff becos it will be Jesus perogative.
Re: Is Rccg And Pastor Adeboye Obliged To Return Akingbola Looted Offering? by Iniabasi: 10:18pm On Jul 22, 2010
it is so sad that nigerians are blinded by religion and we dont seem to know our left from right.a lot of people here are covering up for the deceit of most of our so called men of God.when reverend King roasted innocent souls in 2006 didnt most of us condemn him to judgement but since it is the turn of the more popular ones who are stealing(directly or indirectly) we are here saying leave judgement to God.pls my pple stop condemning Tudor&Dayokanu, they have right to their opinions,leave God to judge them as God wld surely judge those criminals in His home (church).most of you sweat all ur lives out and your labour goes to men of God to build mansions, buy private jets and so on. I believe in God but not a blind follower of deceitful men of God.let us all reason ;we are mere mortals so are these men of God.
Re: Is Rccg And Pastor Adeboye Obliged To Return Akingbola Looted Offering? by sessy2(f): 10:20pm On Jul 22, 2010
Jesus knows it all yes he knows it all. so wen he said he may not meet faith on his return the guy surely knows wat his talking about cos even, ordinary me i cant see faith anywhere. sad
Re: Is Rccg And Pastor Adeboye Obliged To Return Akingbola Looted Offering? by dayokanu(m): 10:23pm On Jul 22, 2010
We used the law to Judge reverend King, Why didnt we leave his judgement to God?

But with GoDaddy, We shouldnt touch Gods anointed, Was Rev King Gods annointed too? Why is he in jail now?
Re: Is Rccg And Pastor Adeboye Obliged To Return Akingbola Looted Offering? by debosky(m): 10:28pm On Jul 22, 2010
dayokanu:

We used the law to Judge reverend King, Why didnt we leave his judgement to God?

But with GoDaddy, We shouldnt touch Gods anointed, Was Rev King Gods annointed too? Why is he in jail now?

Stop talking from both sides of your mouth - if we allowed the law to judge in Rev King's case, let the law take its course in this situation as well.
Re: Is Rccg And Pastor Adeboye Obliged To Return Akingbola Looted Offering? by Mauricemoh: 11:50pm On Jul 22, 2010
Akingbola is just a suspect and as far as am concerning he is still innocent until his convicted in law court. There are some current bank executives that are worst than Akingbola but use their influence to block their being arrested and prosecuted. Akingbola is just unfortunate that this thing happened to him. You can nor blame the Church for receiving their donation because the church believe they donate from their personal acquire wealth. So let us be careful the way we talk to annointed men of God, so that the wrath of God will not befall us.
Re: Is Rccg And Pastor Adeboye Obliged To Return Akingbola Looted Offering? by Nobody: 11:55pm On Jul 22, 2010
Quite an interesting tread!

Akingbola is (was) an RCCG pastor = Judas Iscariot was a disciple of Jesus

Jesus did not reject Judas even when he betrayed him = RCCG rejected Akingbola when he was caught

Some of Akingbola's loot kept in RCCG = Judas returned his 30 pieces of silver = even  Pharisees didn't collect blood money

RCCG should return said looted money donated by Akingbola ( my opinion)


I think RCCG needs to review alot of things. It is clear from this thread that most RCCG faithfuls worship Pastor Adeboye. Pastor Adeboye could be wrong just as Peter was wrong in Galatians 2: 11- 16

11When Peter came to Antioch, I opposed him to his face, because he was clearly in the wrong. 12Before certain men came from James, he used to eat with the Gentiles. But when they arrived, he began to draw back and separate himself from the Gentiles because he was afraid of those who belonged to the circumcision group. 13The other Jews joined him in his hypocrisy, so that by their hypocrisy even Barnabas was led astray.

14When I saw that they were not acting in line with the truth of the gospel, I said to Peter in front of them all, “You are a Jew, yet you live like a Gentile and not like a Jew. How is it, then, that you force Gentiles to follow Jewish customs?

15“We who are Jews by birth and not ‘Gentile sinners’ 16know that a man is not justified by observing the law, but by faith in Jesus Christ. So we, too, have put our faith in Christ Jesus that we may be justified by faith in Christ and not by observing the law, because by observing the law no one will be justified.
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Re: Is Rccg And Pastor Adeboye Obliged To Return Akingbola Looted Offering? by dayokanu(m): 11:58pm On Jul 22, 2010
Akingbola is just a suspect and as far as am concerning he is still innocent until his convicted in law court.


Was Abacha ever convicted by a court of Law too? Why has Akingbola absconded to london? if his hands are clean why not come to naija and proove his innocence

There are some current bank executives that are worst than Akingbola but use their influence to block their being arrested and prosecuted.

Do they attend RCCG? I suspect they are GoDaddy's bosom pals also

 Akingbola is just unfortunate that this thing happened to him.  


Unfortunate that he stole money?

You can nor blame the Church for receiving their donation because the church believe they donate from their personal acquire wealth.


So the church can take money from Robbers, Looters, Assasins, Corrput politicians and even ritual killers?

So let us be careful the way we talk to annointed men of God, so that the wrath of God will not befall us.

Most Nigerians probably including you were not careful when talking about Men of God like TB Joshua, Reverend King, Jesu Oyingbo, Guru Maharaji and even Boko Haram leader.

Why is this sermon necesarry when its the turn of jet flying GoDaddy?
Re: Is Rccg And Pastor Adeboye Obliged To Return Akingbola Looted Offering? by Akosbaba(m): 12:07am On Jul 23, 2010
Olele to ba wonu eko ko tu jade mo
Re: Is Rccg And Pastor Adeboye Obliged To Return Akingbola Looted Offering? by naijaking1: 2:22am On Jul 23, 2010
dayokanu:

We used the law to Judge reverend King, Why didnt we leave his judgement to God?

But with GoDaddy, We shouldnt touch Gods anointed, Was Rev King Gods annointed too? Why is he in jail now?

I don't know what's worse: your stark ignorance of basic civic lessons and law, or your ephemeral attempt to cover up your deafening ignorance.
I don't know your educational pedigree, sir, but most people who have a basic high school education are acquianted with the concept of "Innocent until proven guilty in a court of law" Ironically, the more you try to 'analogize' Akingbola/Ibrus's case with that of Abacha, the more it becomes obvious that you just don't get it.

For the last time, anybody accused of crime, no matter how strong the evidence might have seemed is innocent until tried, convicted in some form of court.
Our own Umaru Mutallab was arrested with exploding underwear bomb meant to kill more than 200 people over Detriot, and he's still being referred to an alleged underwear bomber by the civilized media. An Islamo-fascist like you or Sanusi who have certainly despatched the young man as he was being led out of the airport in handcuffs, because you don't understand that proper trial, conviction, and sentencing uplifts the greater society than just runinng away with conviction without trial.

This issue shouldn't have been a topic in 2010, save that we have a CBN governor who doesn't believe in due process in the first place, who would shoot people before trying them, and who has no problems maligning others. Please go pick up a small book on civics before coming here to exhibit your ignorance with a religious tinge.

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