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Re: Lagos Ohanaeze Lists Conditions For Fashola’s Endorsement by onyengbu1(m): 11:34am On Mar 03, 2011 |
joeyfire: They were perceived as [1]expansionist yoruba corpers caught up in the [2]concommitant violent reprisals to such perception . Borrowing Katsumoto's lines. |
Re: Lagos Ohanaeze Lists Conditions For Fashola’s Endorsement by excanny: 11:40am On Mar 03, 2011 |
Eko Ile: Igbos are not even tribalistic enough for my liking. I wish every Igbo man was like me, you wont even see a single development in Lagos. You have no problem with hausa that refuse to rent houses, but sleep in mosques and trailers in Lagos. Yet return to the North with all the cash from the sale of their agricultural produce to Lagosians, a win-lose situation. This is the more reason I feel no remorse calling you Yorubas ungrateful fools. It's only my Igbo people keep putting themselves into your hands, unfortunately. You Yorubas are the most tribalistic nigerians. Hausas are not even half tribalistic as you are(a Yoruba woman is even a senator in Adamawa). The problem with the hausas has more to do with religious intolerance and their no-holds barred violence if they feel their religion is threatened. So take that crap claim to yourself. You are the masters of tribalism. |
Re: Lagos Ohanaeze Lists Conditions For Fashola’s Endorsement by onyengbu1(m): 11:47am On Mar 03, 2011 |
excanny: That part I completely agree. |
Re: Lagos Ohanaeze Lists Conditions For Fashola’s Endorsement by joeyfire(m): 11:51am On Mar 03, 2011 |
Its very funny that people who have never witnessed a riot in their lives are sipping coca cola behind laptops, mouthing off about starting confrontations. To the naive it may sound like a movie to some of you but if there were to be violent clashes between both sides you wouldnt believe the extent of carnage that would follow EVERYONE. There were clashes between area boys and igbo traders in idumota in 1992. Those who can remember or witnessed it know how much blood was spilled and would never like to see it again. Let us be careful of what we wish for, especially when the so called ''problem'' is borne out of short sightedness and tribalism and nothing else |
Re: Lagos Ohanaeze Lists Conditions For Fashola’s Endorsement by anonimi: 12:01pm On Mar 03, 2011 |
Democracy dividends CANNOT be obtained through ACN - Autocrats Congress of Nigeria- old men imposing their wives, kids, in-laws, relations and maybe even househelps on their party members. Progress CANNOT come from ACN- Alliance for Corruption in Nigeria with Tinubu as their leader and Achike Udenwa as frontliner. Shine your eyes(and ask your folks & friends do likewise), identify, scrutinise, select and mobilise support for your national and state assembly legislator candidates on individual merit basis NOT blindly on party basis. |
Re: Lagos Ohanaeze Lists Conditions For Fashola’s Endorsement by ekubear1: 12:05pm On Mar 03, 2011 |
excanny: This makes no sense. If Igbo stop coming to Lagos today, others will simply take their spots and take advantage of the economic opportunities there. Or are you arguing that "development" of Lagos doesn't usually make the developer well-off? It is like somebody b1tching about being given the opportunity to invest in a rapidly-appreciating stock. "Google, you should be grateful to me for me developing your stock for you!" |
Re: Lagos Ohanaeze Lists Conditions For Fashola’s Endorsement by Katsumoto: 12:06pm On Mar 03, 2011 |
onye_ngbu: 1. So there are Nigerian-born MPs in the UK because the Nigerians in the UK demanded for it? The key point here is the demand by a group. 2. No one suggested the entire Igbo population requested this but a few can spoil it for others if left unchecked. Like I said, if they have the numbers, they should use it and stop the subtle blackmail. 3. You miss the point here; Yoruba people are not Hausa people. Granted that there will be losses on both sides but the livelihood of the visitors will be more negatively impacted. At the end of the day, they will not have the political representation they requested plus their livelihood could be affected 4. No need to be uncouth; just state your case 5. So they need political office to be able to provide development? They are tax-payers and can make representation to the governor on such issues. Having 10 commissioners will not even make a difference if the governor is not interested 6. It is not worth it and should be avoided but the visitors have more to lose. You can't carry your landed property on your head if Kasala burst. 7. The Igbos that want political office in Lagos or any other place cannot effect positive change from a foreign place. That is the argument that is usually directed at Africans in diaspora. You can't be in the US and be demanding of others to make home habitable for you so that you can decide to go home when its sweet. Lagos, like other places in Nigeria still needs positive intellectual capital but the other places need it more than Lagos. No one is feeling sorry for himself or even having sleepless nights. At the end of the day; this is just an internet discussion about an event that is yet to occur. |
Re: Lagos Ohanaeze Lists Conditions For Fashola’s Endorsement by Katsumoto: 12:19pm On Mar 03, 2011 |
joeyfire: I don't need to address the issue about perceived Igbo expansionism because it is a topic on its own. This argument is redundant because democracy is about numbers; if there are enough Igbos in a certain area, then they can vote one of their own in. I am not for violence but that doesn't stop others who feel 'threatened' to act. Business concessions I agree with but not political concessions. There are a number of MPs in the UK who come from ethnic minority backgrounds but they are in the minority. The Igbos in office in Lagos were not elected, they were selected by the governor. In a mature democracy as the British one, how many ethnic minorities were SELECTED for political office by any government, Tory or Labour? |
Re: Lagos Ohanaeze Lists Conditions For Fashola’s Endorsement by member479760: 12:24pm On Mar 03, 2011 |
Yesterday na Biafra, today na Lagos. Yiiibooo!!! Go ahead we need more Igbos in Lagos. |
Re: Lagos Ohanaeze Lists Conditions For Fashola’s Endorsement by onyengbu1(m): 12:30pm On Mar 03, 2011 |
Katsumoto: 1. So your problem lies on the fact that it is demanded and longer because they are visitors who should know that 'Lagos is rich in history and there is very little Igbo pedigree in that history.' 2.Few cannot spoil anything for anybody, ok. For example, do you think all yorubas will start attacking igbos simply because yourself, eko ile, eku bear and others hear on NL wish it happens. HELL NO! 3. Where the difference lies bw hausas and yorubas on that aspect and then how do you arrive at the conclusion that 'visitors' will be impacted more negatively. Have you forgotten that most of those visitors have houses and shops in the east as well as lagos. The landowners on the other hand will have everything destroyed with no hope of another one. 4. I gave you simple directive, check my item2 above! 5. You still miss the question, why do you think igbos are looking for other things than the one you mentioned before. 6. Like before check my item 3 above. 7. There are more than enough igbo people in igbo land taking care of igboland, igbo lagosians are not the people needed to effect any change. Yea it is an internet discussion and it is really giving people like you, eko ile and eku bear sleepless night. |
Re: Lagos Ohanaeze Lists Conditions For Fashola’s Endorsement by Katsumoto: 12:44pm On Mar 03, 2011 |
onye_ngbu: There is no need to personalise the debate; it removes from what ever point you are trying to make. Why do people feel the need to personlise an argument? Is it to stop the other person from having a point of view? If you want people that will agree with your point of view, I suggest you set-up a forum with others of like mind. I have not taken a hostile or condescending attitude with you; please don't take it with me. |
Re: Lagos Ohanaeze Lists Conditions For Fashola’s Endorsement by revomind(m): 12:44pm On Mar 03, 2011 |
excanny: Well, 1. Senator Grace Folashade Bent contested and won. Hilda Williams, the late Funsho Williams widow, a non-Yoruba tried to win the PDP's ticket in 2007 and lost. Nobody's fault. 2. Adamawa may be in the North East but its not an Hausa state. Adamawa is mainly Fulani with a large cluster of minorities usually Christian. Boni Haruna, a Christian from one of the minority ethnic groups was Governor from '99-07. 3.Senator Bent is married to a Bachama man and she won elections to represent these people and other minorities in the state in the Senate. You seriously think Fulanis or even Hausas would vote a christian Yoruba woman to represent them? Wake up please. Yes, some of us may be tribalistic but we are not worse than any other ethnic group in the Nigerian setup. The chest-beating and mischief of the likes of Mazi Uche and the more-restrained Ohanaeze is also tribalism hid under the cover of cosmopolitanism and nationalism. Nobody is getting carried away. Like Katsumoto pointed out, this is just an internet discussion about events yet to occur. You people have claimed to have the numbers, use it instead of stooping so low as to give conditions for support. Afterall, the current Governor is from a group you claim to outnumber among the voters. With the projected 5% support u need from the Yorubas, I don't understand why giving conditions is necessary. |
Re: Lagos Ohanaeze Lists Conditions For Fashola’s Endorsement by joeyfire(m): 12:54pm On Mar 03, 2011 |
Katsumoto: About so called Igbo expansionism I believe you can at least try to defend your statement after we are all here to learn one or two new things abi? I wish i knew what you mean my ''argument'' Ohaneze have in their capacity as an ethnic interest group asked for something in exchange for another from an incumbent. How does that translate to an expansionist policy of the Igbo race? You said ''Voting of their own in'' - are you saying that an Igbo man should run for governor of lagos? Thats contradiction my friend. About the violence yorubas are implying here , is the statement by Ohaneze ''threatening'' enough to spark it? Impossible !! What could spark it is when people who know better (I think) distort facts and feed them to miscreants in the street like we have seen through history over and over. About the concessions, people who have presence in a place have the right to say they want to participate in the political process. Whether or not they are granted by the ACN is another matter but they have asked for it and the world will not end because of that. It doesnt matter whether or not the UK appoints minorities or not to the cabinet, my point is that when Nigerians with names like Kemi and Nnamdi came out to contest for a seat in parliament nobody threatened to drive them back to africa. and if anyione did i am sure they are in jail |
Re: Lagos Ohanaeze Lists Conditions For Fashola’s Endorsement by onyengbu1(m): 12:55pm On Mar 03, 2011 |
Katsumoto: Now you are trying to bolt or seek for unnecessary sympathy. Please point out how I got personal and where I was condescending. Are you all worked up because I kept pointing out that your wishes (which you put up here on your own) is uncalled for and cannot materialize? This is not the kind of attitude I expected from you. |
Re: Lagos Ohanaeze Lists Conditions For Fashola’s Endorsement by biilwwu(m): 1:25pm On Mar 03, 2011 |
PLEASE MY GOOD PEOPLE LETS DROP ISSUES ON TRIBALISM, CLAIMING OWNERSHIP OF A PLACE BY MOUTH DOES NOT CHANGE THE ACTUAL OWNER. THANKS. |
Re: Lagos Ohanaeze Lists Conditions For Fashola’s Endorsement by Katsumoto: 1:25pm On Mar 03, 2011 |
onye_ngbu: onye_ngbu: You stated that I, along with others wish for Yorubas to attack Igbos. Where in my post did I state that I wished for anyone to be attacked? We are simply discussing what may happen if an event were to occur. It's not the same thing, I expect you to be able to make a simple distinction. Please prove me wrong by highlighting where I wished for it to happen. Sometimes, debating on NL is akin to one banging one's head against a wall. If we have disagreed on another thread previously, there is no need to carry it around. Its pretty obvious from your first response to my post. |
Re: Lagos Ohanaeze Lists Conditions For Fashola’s Endorsement by emmatok(m): 1:29pm On Mar 03, 2011 |
If Ohanaeze Lists Conditions For Fashola’s Endorsement Then AREWA,NIGER DELTA GROUP, MEDDLE BELT people must Lists Conditions For Fashola’s Endorsement. I do not know why these IGBO people are claiming the have major contributions to LAGOS. For those of you IGBOS claiming to own landed properties in LAGOS. Go ask your fore-fathers why they deserted their landed properties during the[b] CIVIL WAR AND JUNE 12 1993 CRISIS.[/b] The Yoruba people are most liberal and accommodating people in Nigeria today. Because Hausa or Yoruba man will dare try such thing in any Igbo land. When even the IGBO people are still fighting the-selves over territories in the South-East. Every tribe in living in Lagos today, are at the mercy of the all Yoruba people. So for peace to reign those tribes must respect and recognize the YORUBA SOCIO-POLITICAL CULTURE OF LAGOS. |
Re: Lagos Ohanaeze Lists Conditions For Fashola’s Endorsement by agoshofin(m): 1:34pm On Mar 03, 2011 |
Any yoruba community who lives all his life in an Ibo land & contributes 10% of revenue for any eastern state will neva be recognized talkless of being persuaded to vote in in one direction, I'm nt a fan of ethnicism, bt dis act by igbos in Lagos is pushing their luck too far, let them go & read & analyse the crisis in Jos, Bornu, Kaduna, Kano etc, they should stay put in their village & develop their cities, |
Re: Lagos Ohanaeze Lists Conditions For Fashola’s Endorsement by emmatok(m): 1:37pm On Mar 03, 2011 |
If Ohanaeze Lists Conditions For Fashola’s Endorsement Then AREWA,NIGER DELTA GROUP, MEDDLE BELT people must Lists Conditions For Fashola’s Endorsement. I do not know why these IGBO people are claiming the have major contributions to LAGOS. For those of you IGBOS claiming to own landed properties in LAGOS. Go ask your fore-fathers why they deserted their landed properties during the[b] CIVIL WAR AND JUNE 12 1993 CRISIS.[/b] The Yoruba people are most liberal and accommodating people in Nigeria today. Because no Hausa or Yoruba man will dare try such thing in any Igbo land. When even the IGBO people are still fighting the-selves over territories in the South-East. Every tribe in living in Lagos today, are at the mercy of the all Yoruba people. So for peace to reign those tribes must respect and recognize the YORUBA SOCIO-POLITICAL CULTURE OF LAGOS. |
Re: Lagos Ohanaeze Lists Conditions For Fashola’s Endorsement by omo9ja1(m): 1:42pm On Mar 03, 2011 |
The trend is more coming to briba issue, well I think both parties have appoint to prove, we must learn to move Nigeria forward not to saying my tribe did this and that, or we own the land. Nigerian's wake up from our sleep and let us together elect credible people to lead us irrespective where they are from, but we all so selfish fighting for our tribe If Igbo want to be Governor of Lagos so be it, and If Yoruba man want to be Governor in Anambra state go for it let the electorate decide let the people speak through their vote. see below
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Re: Lagos Ohanaeze Lists Conditions For Fashola’s Endorsement by onyengbu1(m): 1:50pm On Mar 03, 2011 |
Katsumoto: It is there in your posts theres no need to start sympathy cries, when you have been the one telling me that yorubas are not hausas and what happens if your people start attacking igbos and how igbos will be more negatively impacted when it happens. Its all wishes that will not happen the way you ve been putting it and theres no need to start seeking for sympathy. |
Re: Lagos Ohanaeze Lists Conditions For Fashola’s Endorsement by joeyfire(m): 1:50pm On Mar 03, 2011 |
@emmatok - Nobody is disrespecting the Yoruba Soci-Political culture. Try reading the original post clearly and get the real facts unless you are just biased. There are yoruba people in my village that have been there since the 1940s except for during the civil war. Many of them own land, one of them ran for councillor some years back so quit boasting. no one tribe is more accomodating than the other @omonaija1 - You will live long. |
Re: Lagos Ohanaeze Lists Conditions For Fashola’s Endorsement by bisiaet: 1:55pm On Mar 03, 2011 |
Once again I appeal as I did in last week thread to all posters who are non Igbo in the house to please for God sake I repeat to please for God sake ignore my people the Igbo "they are totally disconnectef from reality" They can only smiling and beat their chest as Mr do good in another mans Land whereas in their own land kidnapping, ritualism, tribalism is deeply rooted they cant beat their chest about the solution but they are given condition to Fashola I think if Fashola listen to them then he is coward. This so called Ohanazie which my own dad belong to did not give condition on how to tackles the menace that befall the east as the most dangerous region in Nigeria all they are crying for is fed Govt is not doing enough as if other part of the country get special attention from fed Govt. I ask and I will ask again who do we think we are(Igbo)? I will not stop stop attacking any nonsense thread in NL until my people learn how to love, mind their business, stop invading other people land while WE can not allow such in our own land, stop tribalism, stop be a hater, stop be a name callers, stop living in the shadow of the past, stop history telling, show love and respect to other tribes as they show us love, stop ego and pride, I wont stop and I will not apologise for whatever I say, I am sick and sick of all these nonsense Ohanazie give condition what condition in their fathers land or what? This annoys me too much can an Hausa group give Orji a condition or can Yoruba group give Chime a condition? Rubbish and nonsense!!!!shamelessness>Pls call me any name you like fine but stop invading people land as we can not allow it on our land stop interefering to what does not belong to Igbo, Lagos is not Igbo matter they did not force us or send invitation for us to come to their land lets mind our business for God sake |
Re: Lagos Ohanaeze Lists Conditions For Fashola’s Endorsement by foyeks2001(f): 1:56pm On Mar 03, 2011 |
Eko Ile: I taya too o se Ilu to ni Oba, to ni Ijoye, to ni oro, ise ati asa no be their fault now, we yoruba just dey accommodate, snails, rats, cockroaches, snakes,chameleon into our midst |
Re: Lagos Ohanaeze Lists Conditions For Fashola’s Endorsement by jamd: 1:57pm On Mar 03, 2011 |
that statistic given is it right if it is right then the yorubas should start getting worry. Why are Igbo's always dragging people's home. ohaneze or whatever is that name should go back home and made adjustment |
Re: Lagos Ohanaeze Lists Conditions For Fashola’s Endorsement by onyengbu1(m): 2:11pm On Mar 03, 2011 |
bisiaet: foyeks2001: jamd: Just like I told your brothers, stop hyperventilating over something you cant do crap about. No igbo person has come to take your land but they have come to stay and you guys should come to terms with that already. You cannot do anything about it. SIMPLE! |
Re: Lagos Ohanaeze Lists Conditions For Fashola’s Endorsement by joeyfire(m): 2:15pm On Mar 03, 2011 |
bisiaet: @bolded - really funny but obviously you heard it somewhere and came here to repeat it. You obviously have never travelled outside lagos before so how can you know. I know that ibadan is not a den of killers and political thugs because i have been there. Simple as ABC |
Re: Lagos Ohanaeze Lists Conditions For Fashola’s Endorsement by revomind(m): 2:16pm On Mar 03, 2011 |
jamd: The figures are obviously false. Otherwise ask yourself why a group of people with 62% of the voters in a state should give conditions instead of just take over. |
Re: Lagos Ohanaeze Lists Conditions For Fashola’s Endorsement by jason123: 2:18pm On Mar 03, 2011 |
onye_ngbu: @ Bolded That is a lie! Stop provoking them. Stop attarcting violence to yourselves! Abi? Is that too much to ask for? Learn to respect people and their culture. Off topic: The way this Ohaneze is doing things in Lagos, I really see ORGANISED violence against the igbo in the not too distant future. You will say I said so! |
Re: Lagos Ohanaeze Lists Conditions For Fashola’s Endorsement by emmatok(m): 2:19pm On Mar 03, 2011 |
onye_ngbu: See yourself Why do people always remember their villages when crises brake out i LAGOS. |
Re: Lagos Ohanaeze Lists Conditions For Fashola’s Endorsement by joeyfire(m): 2:20pm On Mar 03, 2011 |
onye_ngbu: They dont even know what they are raving over thats what makes me laugh. They are just reacting to tribalistic instincts that are bone deep |
Re: Lagos Ohanaeze Lists Conditions For Fashola’s Endorsement by jason123: 2:23pm On Mar 03, 2011 |
joeyfire: NO! You guys are the tribalist here. The sooner you learn to respect other people as they have respected you, the better. You cannot try to disrespect another group and expect them to folded their arms. NL yorubas are simple advising you because when the violence starts (and it WILL start in the not too distant future) do not scream that yorubas are tribalist. |
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