~Sauron~:


Aggression does not win games.

Feistiness surely does. Ask the South Koreans and the Argentinians.

binaflexia:


Thank you very much.


Let those that still criticize Lars to go and train a DOG that could kill a Lion.

It's a game of football, not of might. You need intelligence and passion, none of which I saw on the Nigerian side until the very last minute.

binaflexia:


What did you expect them to do with the quality upfront? Run after them and expose the defense.

It is Argentina will are talking about here!

They have the ball, we watch them make their passes. We have the ball they harass us to give the ball away or make a mistake. We lacked confidence, that is why we lost. We did better in the second half though.

binaflexia:



How I wish, I could bet with you.


North Korean will even beat Argentina.  Nonsensesssssss!

All  we did for 45 minutes was watch Argentina do whatever they wanted with the ball. Go back and watch the game!!

mikeansy:

I will honestly bet on South Korea to beat Argentina

Agreed.

Can we borrow the South Korean's coach? His team played like we used to play. Good football.

Princek12:

why are Super Eagles ball watching? WHy cant they run and mark the ball? phuckers

Good observation, that is what they did the whole first halve.

This is a disaster! I am shaking in my boots, Errr my house slippers!!

nulldev:

Nigeria did not exist? your special

Revisionism at work.

The most potent argument against Awolowo from some Igbo people have always been the carpet crossing episode in the Western house of Assembly, but having read all the posts on this thread and especially the blockbuster from nulldev, I have come to realise that, preventing Zik to become the premier of Western Region was the right thing to do.

Allowing him to become premier would have been tantamount to making EzeUche the governor of Oshun state!

nulldev:

The 'Awo stole 1951 election' story is a fabrication that I see repeated (quite often) not only on this thread  but all over this forum, as I said under one of the many threads that this was parroted on, read the article below on NVS which analysed the 51 elections with candidate names and party affiliations.

http://www.nigeriavillagesquare.com/articles/guest-articles/rebutting-ralph-uwechues-lie.html

For those allergic to reading, the long and short is this:

The total tally for the 1951 poll in the 80-member Western Regional Assembly was as follows: Action Group 38; Independent/AG 15; NCNC 24; Independent/NCNC 3. Three members of the NCNC who had been elected to the House changed party allegiance that day ahead of the House of Representatives vote. They were: Chief SY Kesington-Momoh, JG Ako, and Awodi Orisaremi, from Urhobo and Kukuruku Divisions.

Pray tell, how those that 'introduce tribalism into Nigeria'

Bear in mind the following

1. Egbe Omo oduduwa was formed years after the Ibo state union was formed with Zik as president.
2. The Nigerian youth movement of which Awo and Zik were members was dissolved as a result of the fallout of an election in 1941 between Samuel Akinsanya (supported by Zik) and Ernest Ikoli supported by Awo. Ikoli won said election and Zik's accusation at the time? That it was an Eko conspiracy against Ijebus! never mind that Awo was Ijebu.

Here is a quote unedited from Awos Biography written prior to independence on he's rivalry with Zik which should shed a lot more light on the politics of the time and put it in its proper context:

[b]An article written by Zik himself, published on the front page of the Pilot, and entitled: "'Football Iliad, 1940 Edition'", shocked many people. It was a big step forward in an insidious campaign which had gone on for more than two years on the pages of the Pilot. A football team composed of students of the Christ the King's College, Onitsha, came to Lagos to play a 'Win the War' football match against St Gregory's College. The CKC team from Onitsha defeated St Gregory's team by 5 goals to 4. To the ordinary man in the street, let alone the highly sophisticated elements, there was nothing extraordinary or unusual in one school or college defeating another in a game of soccer. But not so with Dr Azikiwe. He saw in the sporting exploits and triumph of the team from Onitsha the inherent superiority of the easterners over their opponents, and he went to very great pains to establish this fact, by means of careful choice of words and emphasis. These extracts from the article are relevant: And then to think of the great combination of the Spartan heroes who crossed the lordly Niger, journeyed through the good earth of Benin, hurried across the domains of the Oshemawe of Ondo, of the Atanla of Owo, of the Owa of Ilesha, of the Oni of Ife, of the Alake of Abeokuta in their invasion of these islands!
Who, but heroes of mighty brawn and exceptionally developed brain would have dared to make this invasion and to succeed in carrying to their River Niger home, the Golden Fleece of InterCollegiate Soccer Championship of the Eastern and Western Provinces?
Yet they came to Lagos, they saw the irresistible defence put up by their opponents, and they conquered impressively, convincingly, and were graceful even in victory!
Could their achievement be paralleled?
Would it not be better for me to leave the answer to the laps of the gods?

On 24 August 1940, however, the same CKC team played in Ibadan against the Olubadan XI in another 'Win the War' match. The CKC were beaten 3-2 by the Olubadan XI which were an undiluted Yoruba team. Apart from sending the news to the Daily service myself, I also saw to it that it was wired to the Pilot. It was after there had been clamours in the Daily service, in form of letters to the editor, that the news of this Ibadan match was published some two weeks later in the Pilot. Even then, it was a small item on the back page, and it was explained in it that the CKC team were already tired and that some of them were in fact limping, before they went into the field against Olubadan XI. This was of course untrue.
I said before that the CKC episode was a big step forward in an insidious campaign which had gone on for more than two years on the pages of the Pilot. One or two more instances will be given. By the time the Pilot had published for a year, an important feature of the paper had become manifest. The Igbos in particular were given inordinate publicity on the pages of the paper. Perhaps this was as it should be. The Igbo had never had a share in newspaper publicity before the advent of the Pilot. But equally so, no Yoruba man of the class of the Igbos publicised in the Pilot ever had a share of publicity in any paper either. In those days one had to be an outstanding politician, a big shot in society, or a well-connected person, for one's name to appear in the Nigerian Daily Times, Nigerian Daily Telegraph andLagos Daily News. Of course if you had a friend working in the news or composing section of a paper, no matter who you were, you might be slipped in. Names of people like myself appeared in the papers simply because we were agitators or free-lance journalists. All the same, it was generally agreed that the Igbos needed all the boosting they could get.But Dr Azikiwe went about it in a manner which disgusted those of us who were used to describing citizens of Nigeria as Nigerians or Africans, and regarding their achievements as reflecting credit on Nigeria, indeed Africa, as a whole. The following are typical of the titles of front page news items and of editorial articles in the Pilot.


1. ' Ibo Young Man to Sail to U.K.' is the heading of a frontpage story and picture on September 23, 1938. The young man is Mr Jaja Wachuku, now Speaker of Nigeria's House of Representatives.
2. '14th West African Student, 10th Nigerian, 8th Ibo in U.S.A.' Another front-page story on January 28, 1939. The 8th Ibo is Mr Nwafor Orizu, now Senator in Nigeria's Upper House.
3. 'Ibo Medical Student Passes Exam In First Class Honours.' Yet another front page story, on June 26, 1940, of the brilliant success of Dr S. O. Egwuatu.
4. Editorials:
i. ' A Model Union' ( August 8, 1938) in praise of the Ibibio State Union.
ii. 'One Year Ago' ( August 18, 1938) celebrating the first anniversary of the call to the Bar of the first Ibo lawyer, in the person of Mr Justice Louis Mbanefo, now Chief Justice of the Eastern Region High Court.
iii. 'The Ibo Are Coming' ( December 31, 1938) -- The very title is sufficiently indicative of the contents.[/b]
These are but a few examples of the publicity given to Igbos as a group. But as against these, the achievements of Yorubas and, in particular, the academic laurels of their scholars received, if at all, inconspicuous notice in the Pilot. When an Igbo did or was about to do something praiseworthy, he was invariably given a two-column headline and report in the Pilot, and was always described by his ethnic origin in the headlines. But when the Ph.D. degree of London University, indeed of any university for that matter, was conferred on the first Nigerian ever, the historic news was given a small singlecolumn space in the Pilot, and the headline read: 'Nigerian Economist Passes Ph.D. London.' The scholar concerned was Dr Fadipe, a Yoruba. As late as 1945, two Nigerian law students of Cambridge University, one Yoruba and one Igbo, passed the Law Tripos Examination. The Yoruba passed with second class honours (upper division), and the Igbo also passed with second class honours but in the lower division. The latter got front page publicity in the Pilot, but the former got a small space given to him on the back page a few days after the report of his Igbo colleague had appeared. As for outstanding Yoruba public men, they were all of them daubed as 'imperialist stooges' and ' Uncle Toms'.

I was wondering why the TIME would refer to him as a demagogue, perhaps this is why.
But how could he be an ethocentric demagogue and a nationalist at the same time? Could it be some people have been fibbing with history all these while!!!
Please somebody tell me this aint true. I honestly never thought once in my life that the great Zik of Africa could write such garbage!!!

I want Babangida lobotomized, immobilized and incarcerated.

Onlytruth:

I think that in the whole 22 pages of this debate, the most interesting quote was someone who said this:

"To the ant on the table, the earth is flat".

lmao!

This may be true if you cannot see anything good in other ethnic groups except yours.

Onlytruth:

Actually, we are studying the Yoruba and then we would TRANSCEND them. Why should I study my opponent to be like him?

And you are wrong about owning land. As long as we are Nigerians (and Igbo man will fight to keep Nigeria ONE), there is power in owning lands everywhere in Nigeria. That is why the emerging Igbo leadership is undergoing a paradigm shift in our survival strategies in Nigeria.

Assuming only Igbo's are buying lands in Nigeria and all other Nigerians use their money to eat guguru and epa!
Pls stop thinking in one dimensional way. You just assume other Nigerians are too dumb to understand whatever is going on around them!!
I think Igbos in Nigeria needs a serious image makeover, if you must know, Igbos are already percieved as too overbearing in Nigeria and this stereotype is being reinforced by posts like yours.
You can buy all the land you want in Yorubaland and still get kicked out if your presence is no longer welcomed.

EzeUche:

Back on topic, I would spit on Awolowo's grave.

That is how much I despise the man.

His hatred for the Igbo was paramount, that every Igbo child that is born is a smack into his ugly Yoruba face!

Onlytruth:

I'm truly impressed by EzeUche's rapid transformation. This boy will go places! These are the emerging young Igbo leaders who would help craft our survival in Nigeria. All of us will one day help direct our people to properly use their heads.

Meanwhile I'll advise every Igbo living and buying property in Lagos and other part of Yorubaland to buy and own one of the most powerful weapons against witchcraft power today. Incidentally the weapon was designed by a Yoruba man. The name is: PRAYER RAIN by Dr D K. Olukoya.

You need that in order to possess your possessions.

@afam4eva

Thanks too.

If a rabid ethnocentric fellow like EzeUche is the future of Igbo leadership, I think you have a big problem.

SEFAGO:

hmm .  . . I beg to differ, Falae does get blamed for SAP. However SAP was an economic policy. Its likely Awolowo received orders from above to give the 20 pounds, but maybe he did not challenge it thats what my igbo brothers are worried about? Or they are just obssessed with Yoruba people more than with other ethnic groups.

Please point to a thread on Gowon for me

I agree, but this arguement has never been framed that way. It is usually Awolowo did this and that. It is as if Awolowo had all the powers and Gowon was just a bystander!!

afam4eva:

So, was his job as the minster of finance for decoration?

If you want to be honest, you cannot hold him solely responsible for that policy, if there was really one. Falae was Babangida's finance minister and yet Babangida is held responsible for SAP.
Why is Awolowo different, is there a deep seated hatred for Awolowo that has nothing to do with the war?

afam4eva:

What was Awolowo's position at that time?

Finance minister, I guess. That does not make you the commander in chief of the Armed Forces in my opinion!

afam4eva:

I think we have loads of educated illiterates in Nigeria. How can someone come here and say Awolowo was the best leader Nigeria ever had and expect no static. As an Igbo man, i respect what Awolowo did for his Yoruba people even though he did it at the detriment of others. It's ok to say he's the best regional leader Nigeria has ever produced but to say he had no equal is insanity and a grave insult to the great nationalistic leaders this country has produced. It's just ike the Jihads telling us that Osama is the best leader ever. To them he is but to us he's no more than a freaking terrorist. That the same way the Igbos see Awolowo and you can't fault them for that Just the same way you can't fault yorubas for hating on Ojukwu. Let's behave like people with at least a secondary school Cert for once.

The question is, if Awolowo was not the head of state during the war, why is all the vitriol directed at him and not the man who was really in charge.

I have read incredible stories on this forum of how Awolowo directed the Army to destroy farm lands and directed banks to give Igbos only 10 pounds!

C'mon let's be reasonable, it is virtually impossible for Awolowo to go above Gowon to implement anything let alone directing the Army!!

kettykings:

Sometimes when people boast about lagos being yoruba land and all that I can't help but laugh,  for benefit of doubt lagos was first discovered by people from bini kingdom the kosoko , oshodi apongbon who. Thronged the place and used it as a place to transact beusiness with the portuguese .  Lagos was run as a separate colony before 1914 by the british and even after the mereger was administered separately from the south west .

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lagos

Lagos became a part of yoruba land after the 1967 state creation when the new rulers of nigeria started conteming bringing the capital nearer their home.

Prior to that time ibadan (the dirtiest state capital presently ) was the capital of yoruba land. Where Awo ruled from.
Today this people have usurped lagos from their original founders coveted the land in lagos and are threatening other people who live in lagos and claiming lagos as part of Awos trumped up achievement
Notice how the same people have started coveting nigerdelta land and have annexed ijaw land with ondo that initially did not have oil.


The yorubas are just walking .

Therefore, Hong Kong should not be considered part of China, because it was occupied by the British since 1841 until recently (1997)

Onlytruth:

That man has no equal in the annals of Nigerian regional leadership. No doubt.
What insults my intelligence is when a guy who achieved less than giants like Okpara is being posthumously lionized as the greatest leader Nigeria never had. When Ojukwu made that statement at Awo's funeral, he was actually taunting the late man for his failure to achieve his lifetime's dream. Some folks are here echoing the same cleverly wrapped taunt as compliment by the lion of Biafra.
Nonsense.

That would make Ojukwu a very small minded man, don't you think? I don't think you are right though, or maybe I'm wrong.

EzeUche:

That's a lie. Ojukwu is the most revered man in Igboland. So where are these millions of Igbos? Have you ever been to Igboland?

And Biafra is always spoken of in Alaigbo.

Mind you, Igbos are not some alien tribe from a far away planet. They are my neigbours, friends and people I interact with everyday. I know for sure many of them are not suffering from this Biafra hangover!

EzeUche:

Delusions of grandeur?

Name one other group has a proven track record. You can't. . . All we have to do is invoke the name of Biafra and Ojukwu and you people get chills down your spine.

What of millions of Igbo who are not interested in invoking the name of Biafra or Ojukwu. Those who are more interested in level playing field for all Nigerians? Are they all cowards too, just like Yorubas?

EzeUche:

Shut your bleeping mouth you stinking knave!

Never insult Ojukwu, you have no right you fool!

I am glad my people went to war, it actually united the Igbo even more. This shared bond of going against Nigeria. And you know what, we the only group besides the Efik, and Ibibio who showed the whole of Nigeria that we can bring Nigeria to its knees.

If we wanted to go to war again, we would cut off Nigeria from its precious oil supply. And this time, the West will look as we make it into a religious war.

Delusions of grandeur, that is your problem.

EzeUche:

No need to dream.

Igbos make up a huge part of Lagos.

The Fulani are continuing to invade your land and what are you Yorubas doing. The answer is nothing.

You are right, Nothing. We welcome all Nigerians, we are very accomodating people as you probably know.
But there's a Yoruba proverb that says; "A father and his son cannot jointly own a farm without some boundaries" As long as we try not to violate each others boundaries, I believe we can all get along fine.
I need to advice you and many Igbo with the same mindset as yours, you don't endear yourselves to your host communities by gloating over every little success you achieve. The "we are taking over everything" mentality is not helping matters at all.

EzeUche:

No one is afraid of some Yoruba. lol

No Hausa or Igbo in Lagos is afraid of some Yorubas.

If a Yoruba takes a Hausa's property, the Hausa would murder the Yoruba guys whole family. We seen what that one crazy Hausa dude did in Edo state.

Igbos are definitely not afraid of any Yoruba. If we can handle the north, we can definitely hand Yorubaland. Yorubas are much tamer than the Hausa. All you do is pay a few Yoruba Area Boys and they will fight their own cousins!

Yeah right! Dream on.

Onlytruth:

Ol' boy who told you that Ndigbo would cede an inch of their properties to you?

As a matter of fact most of our guys in Lagos are almost like indigenes now. They know all the nooks and crannies of that land and use all your babalawo just like you. If push comes to shove, they import people from the east. They did that during "Abiola riots", so what makes you think they would ever leave their landed properties in Lagos?

Maybe in the 60s it could have happened but today (after 40 tortuous years in the crucible called Nigeria) these guys are prepared to fight anyone anywhere in Nigeria. Dey dia de wait for my property. Na for naija we dey!

What are they going to do? Take their properties with them to the East?

Onlytruth:

Ol' boy who told you that Ndigbo would cede an inch of their properties to you?

As a matter of fact most of our guys in Lagos are almost like indigenes now. They know all the nooks and crannies of that land and use all your babalawo just like you. If push comes to shove, they import people from the east. They did that during "Abiola riots", so what makes you think they would ever leave their landed properties in Lagos?

Maybe in the 60s it could have happened but today (after 40 tortuous years in the crucible called Nigeria) these guys are prepared to fight anyone anywhere in Nigeria. Dey dia de wait for my property. Na for naija we dey!

Multiply Lagos by say 1000 and you will start to see why you cannot take anything violently from Yorubaland.

Onlytruth:

I'm surprised even you genius boy is befuddled by my position.

Okay, I'll break it down again for ya.

You have succeeded in frustrating our peaceful or violent exit from Nigeria, but the emergent Nigeria will come with some consequences for you. You MUST live with the prospect of possibly being tenants in your land ('cos frankly my bros won't stop buying up your lands ). Some of you will one day feel uncomfortable over this (some are already showing those signs). A day will come (unless you stop being selfish and clannish) when you would wish you had opted out of Nigeria or helped Biafra.

Only that by then, we Ndigbo must have warmed up to the Nigeria that came to be and would likely fight against anyone trying to secede, most likely you. Gerrit now?

But you need to remember that, you can only collect rents in a peaceful atmosphere. God forbid there's a similar situation to 1966 - 1970 again, I think the last thing on your mind will be to go and collect your rents.

Onlytruth:

Exactly my point! The more y'all scheme to keep us in Nigeria on your own terms, the more you are entangled in its contradictions.

Who told you the Igbo would abandon their properties for a seceding Yoruba?

By "show them", I meant a little of the dose they dished out to Biafra.

The only way you will be able to show them IMO is to impound all Yoruba properties in Igboland and by doing so, you have chosen to forgo all Igbo properties in Yorubaland.

If this is what you mean, then you need to re examine the wisdom in buying up landed properties in Yorubaland, because not as many Yorubas are doing the same in the East.

Onlytruth:

This slowpoke is regurgitating this fairytale as if we still live in the 50s and 60s. Today, I can sit in my living room here in the US and accurately measure every inch of Nigeria. 

The truth though is that Nigeria would never allow an opportunity for Ndigbo to decide whether to remain in Nigeria or not, because frankly Ndigbo would likely vote for secession even if the land is only 5,000 square meters.

Hence, those of us who are trapped in Nigeria have decided to remain, buy lands and wait for that day when these same folks would get fed up and try to secede, then we would show them.
This country will not turn out as you are planning it. Lies can't endure for ever.

How do you intend to "show them" when your money is heavily invested in immovable properties across Yorubaland and Nigeria in general?

Don't you think you have more to lose in terms of your investments?

bk/babe97:


Lol. Hahahahahah. Nigerian history in just 11 short paragraphs!!!!

You are one heck of a bad guy! but you've got a talent that can be put to a good use. Not inter- tribal warfare though!!

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