Some people see the truth but choose the lies.

“No one should be forced to worship in a way that he finds unacceptable or be made to choose between his beliefs and his family.” – g7/09 p.29

The Quote above is from 2009 Awake magazine that lambasted other religions for causing family divisions, thus implying that those who choose to become Witnesses will never face this predicament.

But Could the watchtower leave up to their standard?
We all know that simple things like getting married or dating a girl outside Jehovah's witness could cause serious problem in their congregation, forcing families and friends to stop associating with you.
today there are many people who you call friends that smokes weed with you, fornicate and get drunk with you behind closed doors and yet you see them preaching the gospel every Saturday because they are being forced to do so and this is a shocking truth about Jehovah's witnesses, else they will be shunned by family. another quote from them is an example of how they lie all the time. I know this because My sisters friends was dis-fellow-shipped and her dad never attended her wedding because she was getting married to a man from another church. after they publish something like this in their magazines

" Does study of the Bible lead to family breakup? No. In fact, the Bible encourages a husband and wife who practice different religions to remain together as a family.—1 Corinthians 7:12, 13."

the above is from the same page from which the first quote from the awake came from.
as a Jehovah's witness you must believe anything you are told or they will cut you off, you must not teach from your own reasoning.
you are even told not to read the bible without their magazine because it will lead you to evil. Now lets look what they say in their own awake same page.

"Although the Bible makes a clear distinction between true and false teachings, God allows each person the freedom to choose how he or she will respond. (Deuteronomy 30:19, 20) No one should be forced to worship in a way that he finds unacceptable or be made to choose between his beliefs and his family."


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7yLdwe_6JsU

the video above is a recording of the talk given on how they encourage shunning.
Those who oppose Watchtower’s practice of shunning former members point to the fact that it essentially constitutes emotional blackmail. The purpose of disfellowshipping is, they say, not to restore the person’s relationship with God, but to blackmail the person into returning to the organization by holding his family hostage. Interestingly, this is precisely how disfellowshipping is presented in Bell’s talk.

“When someone is disfellowshipped,” explains Bell, “one of the reasons they want to come back into Jehovah’s organization is to associate with the brothers and sisters in the congregation and likely to associate with their family. So if we associate with them when they’re disfellowshipped, we could actually be taking away from them a motivating factor for wanting to be reinstated.”

Bell then attempts to drive his point home with a bizarre hypothetical scenario in which a disfellowshipped person is finally reinstated and promptly criticizes his family for not shunning him fully. Many have already commented on how unlikely this scenario would be.

Bell's concluding
“Just imagine now if we didn’t remain loyal and we talk to them [the disfellowshipped person] and associate with them,” suggests Bell. “Could you imagine the feeling we would have the night they were reinstated, and they walked up to us and said: ‘Why weren’t you loyal to Jehovah when I was disfellowshipped?’ That would cut us at our heart! But what joy you would have if they walked up and said, ‘Thank you for being loyal to Jehovah! Your example motivated me to return to serve Jehovah!’ Remember, in all cases, being loyal to Jehovah is the most important thing.”

backlash.
Predictably, many current and former Witnesses who have seen the video have been saddened and outraged by it. Those who are themselves on the receiving end of shunning have especially expressed their dismay that this is the sort of propaganda their Witness family members are being pummelled with.

Of course, there is nothing unusual in the actual instructions conveyed in the talk. Those who are familiar with the Witness faith know about the extent to which shunning is enforced, and that it is principally intended as emotional blackmail. What makes the talk unusual is the manner in which the speaker brazenly and forcefully spells out that shunning is something Witnesses are compelled to do, even to children, in total contradiction of the image Watchtower seeks to portray to outsiders.

Now the talk is being circulated on YouTube, it is hoped that more non-JWs will be made aware of the enormous pressure Witnesses are under to inflict misery and heartache on their disfellowshipped loved ones – all in the name of “loyalty.”

It is also hoped that Steven Bell, who so passionately and enthusiastically defended the harmful policies of his Governing Body masters, does not rise any higher up the Watchtower leadership chain. If he were to ever become a Governing Body member himself, based on this talk, I shudder to think how further radicalized the organization might become in the future.

Boomark: Poor understanding/visualization still.

Deuteronomy 1:17-18
17 Do not show partiality in
judging; hear both small and
great
alike. Do not be afraid of any
man,
for judgment belongs to God.
Bring
me any case too hard for you,
and I
will hear it.

by chosing only "...judgements belongs to God," shows half half understanding.

To the lawyers in the house, e be like say the supreme judge want to hear this kajad mata wey dey for ground so as e don pass us(lower court judges). Make we refer this mata sharp sharp to Abuja. But this our supreme judge dey powerful o! See as in him dey use one winshes and wizard television(onyokometer) dey watch us as we dey dey collect bribe take dey pass judgement. Na wa o!

How i wish anony did not run. But all the same na the same.

brother boomark your verse did not address the question. they told you elohim translate to great, mighty you have never touched that. frank shows you that psalmist is talking about judges also.

could you address those post?

^^^First Psalm 82 in context in which these words are found. In verse one Asaph declared that God judges among the gods. This word "gods" is the same Hebrew word used in verse six. Verses two through four inform us as to the identity of these gods whom God judges. They are none other than judges, or magistrates of the land. They were rulers who were perverting judgment through their office and authority. Because of this it is declared, "I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the most High. But ye shall die like men, and fall like one of the princes" (Psalm 82:6-7). The Lord had given these rulers their authority, but they abused it (Daniel 4:25, 30, 34-37; 5:18-22; Romans 13:1-4). As a result of their evil stewardship over the offices of God, the Lord said they would fall like one of the princes. In this passage, then, those who are called gods are human judges in the land of Israel.

Human beings are not “gods” or “little gods.” We are not God. God is God, and we who know Christ are His children.
i suggest boomark you have seen it all?

for jman: i liked your post because you made me laugh tire.

We cannot call the words about other gods being no god as meaning that they are not gods. For that will mean that the words of the psalmist using elohim for angels is in error. If we accept that there is no god EXCEPT Him, this will also mean that Jesus cannot be called God because in those verses Jehovah did not say "apart from Jesus, others are no gods".

^^^^this is an atrocity, what a deluded statement from you. the context of psalmist is not even pointing to the angels. elohim is not the translation to angels. someone made a statement concerning the controversy in that verse.

If we say that men are men and idols are idols and no god, then what about satan and other demons? What about righteous angels? As far as they are called idol, u are already calling it a god.

you call idols gods when you know they are firewood and cement... did you smoke? satan and other angels are meant to serve God. they and messengers, not god. men are humans, man that is what they are, How else do you want to understand it? if they are God why did Jesus have to change from being in the nature God and take the nature of a man? cant you see that man is not God from that statement alone?
Bible has distinguish men from God how else do you want it?

When Jehovah say they are no gods, it means they do not deserve to be worshipped cos they are impotent.

when YHWH says there are no gods it means there are no gods. Why are you lying? you are living in denial. the verses says there are no god.

One of the verses where Jehovah made those statements is:

Isaiah 43:10, 11

10 “YOU are my witnesses,” is the utterance of
Jehovah, “even my servant whom I have chosen, in
order that YOU may know and have faith in me, and
that YOU may understand that I am the same One.
Before me there was no God formed, and after me
there continued to be none. 11 I—I am Jehovah,
and besides me there is no savior.”

the bold has told you that no god was form and there continue to be no god. you are twisting things here.

When Jehovah make such statements He usually refers to idols. In the verse above, the context indicates that He was contrasting himself from man-made idols.

he says there was no god formed it means zeus, baal and any god you want to call. stop this twisting dude. it will be for the betterment of you accepting God's words.
So let me get you straight he is only angry that people are worshiping idols and not satan? he is ok with people worshiping satan? you drink? how can he have issues with gods that are made by men and not have issues with humans that makes their self god or people worship as god? you don drink hahahaha.

Such gods could not stretch out the heavens like a guage, as Jehovah did.

are you stupid? such gods(idols) cannot stretch out the heavens... did the angels and satan you call god stretch out the heavens? did the humans stretch out the heavens? i cant believe this.

Those gods cannot tell the future that we may know they are gods.

as you say you are god can you tell the future? as you think YHWH have issues with only the idols.

So the context establishes that the Almighty is hurling a challenge at the so-called gods of the nations. Being idol with no POWER, they are certainly are not gods to be worshipped; they are really nothings.

now you just mentioned they are really nothing. but look are your opening statement below

If we say that men are men and idols are idols and no god, then what
about satan and other demons? What about righteous angels?
As far as they are called idol, u are already calling it a god.

you really confused man, I think you have stated contradicting your self badly.

So Jehovah is talking about idols that cannot act, as mere woods made by man. This or other books that say they are no gods should not be used to mean that their are no god except Jehovah. Here, Jah is using the word "god" as a supernatural object of veneration. But these so called gods has no power. He is not trying to imply that the word "god" cannot be used for those who are not worshipped, nor is He implying that there is no god in its entirety.

1 Corinthians 10:19-21 - 19 Do I mean then that food sacrificed to an idol is anything, or that an idol is anything? 20 No, but the sacrifices of pagans are offered to demons, not to God, and I do not want you to be participants with demons. 21 You cannot drink the cup of the Lord and the cup of demons too; you cannot have a part in both the Lord’s table and the table of demons.

demons or satan or angels are not Gods. idols are always linked to a demon. people use idol to worship their gods... so when people use the idol to worship baal, statues to worship zeus etc it still has ties to the demons(satan).

The godship of Jehovah is proven by His miracles and saving power He manifested
to which the israelites are witnesses. Isaiah 43:9, 10. (Quotations above). But the other gods has no witness nor did they perform anything.

have you been to a shrine of a native doctor before? every idol is linked to a demon. it is satan that drives people into idolatry by the way. it is written that when you sacrifice to an idol, you are sacrificing to a demon.

the sun is not an object that man made for him self, but they worship it anyhow. even the stars. will you not put it in the idol category?

Can we now say that since Jah do not view them as god to be worshipped, they are no gods? No. For some view it as their god. "But Jah says they are no god, so they are not'' someone may say. Yes to us they are their god and unreal. But their worshippers can say the same thing for our own God. Will we then conclude that Jah is no God for us? The same can be compared with students of EMEKA and OKEKE in the illustration. Again the word "god" is a common noun that refers to something/person that is worshipped. But scriptures moves a bit farther.

^^^ first you say they are gods, then they are nothing, now they are gods again because someone in your organization says so even when YHWH says they are not gods.

let me ask you. is it safe to make a wood and keep in your room and tell your friend that see this is a god woodock but dont worship it? is this not stupid analysis from you? so i can start calling all the furniture in my house god as they are not worshiped or because other people worship them? hahahaaha ben is right you dont know the difference between facts and opinion.

Again when He says there is no god He often refers to idols that are impotent. But idols themselves are gods. It doesnt make the word exclusive to Him alone, as the scriptures shows that the word can be used for humans and angels. Which is the main issue I am establishing here.

^^^ you foolish!!! which kind person you be. he refers to idol that they are not gods to be worshiped but ok with satan and angels and humans? and you reject the meaning of what YHWH says and add you own meaning.

I think the above answers ur question on why He often says there is no god except him. The context helps us grately. Again, Jeremiah, Ezekiel and Isaiah wrote on the same context as they all wrote about the capture and restoration of the israelites and their worship of images.

you have failed to answer the question directed to you. 0 over 100 and i am ashamed of you making fool out of your self.

Boomark: @itsfacts
I have answered your question above. I believe you saw they are in harmony. One God for us is strictly One God, the Father, one Person not 3 person or 3 Gods.

Have you wondered a tree(amadioha) will respond to the request of their worshipers? Because there are gods(demons) behind the scene drawing people away from the Only True God who is the source of GODHEAD.

You did not answer the question from what I saw. I have gone through the discussion and Ben has been saying anything can be called god all this time and when you say he finally agrees doesn't make sense because he was not disputing that. The place he is coming from is whether the things called god are God. Above is an example from Ben where elohim is used to call pagan gods then the next thing that follow is a word that disqualify them as gods. Like galathians 4:8 that states by nature they are not elohim. I believe you people are misunderstanding Ben. Above I saw a verse that states you are not god but a man. That statement alone will tell you that men are not god just like your friend jman says. "humans are gods"

About your recent post god can mean several things like judge magistrates etc. But there is one from me Ben and ijawkid Argument that applies only to one person apart from the father and that is actual God as a nature stated in some bible verses.

1: the ability to create
2: worthy of worship
3: existing as god

The rest are titles given to men such as judge
Etc. The above doesn't apply to anything else other than Yhwh the bible says the universe holds because Jesus and in Hebrew it says he upholds everything by his power.

At boomark what does it mean by no god was form before me?

What does it mean by I alone is god elohim?

And what does it mean by YHWH is the elohim in the heavens and the earth and beneath the earth and there is none other elohim. I know it didn't appear like this in the verse but it is the same message. Just like Ben said, if you go by saying there are other elohim it means the bible has contradictions.

Aside that I agree with him that TRUE and FALSE disqualify and qualify what is being called God.
that is my stance. And also in addition I think Ben is saying elohim can be used to address anything but the TRUE or FALSE is what confirms if that thing is indeed God or not.

What do you think?

ijawkid:
Lol........

And as I have shown your daft brain from scriptures,Jesus could only become a savior because he was appointed and exalted to be,not because he has always been.......






Has Jesus done anything important without us here on earth??.......

Remember the more you try to equate Jesus with the Father,I drag Jesus to our level.......

What your brain doesn't get is that the Father sends every body while he himself cannot be sent...he remains the all and all who carries out his biddings through is servants and vendors of which Jesus is part of.......




.....

Like I said the NWT would not be opened by me on this thread.....

See this scripture below..

Hebrews 5:7

New International Version
(©2011)
During the days of Jesus' life on
earth, he offered up prayers and
petitions with fervent cries and
tears to the one who could save
him from death, and he was heard
because of his reverent
submission.


Did Jesus need and depend on a saviour or not??...

He laid down his life for us. Then he raised it up( the father raised it up the holy spirit raised him up) the trinity. If the father saved him or raise him up does it mean Jesus did not save us from our sin?

truthislight:

Ignorancy is a disease.

The word Angel means messenger.

Smh for ignorancy.

So far lost that you are out of this world

^^monkey an archangel no be angel?

ijawkid:

if I keep arguing with you it might take forever......

Besides I had an interview I was preparing for..needed to concentrate...

If I follow you I no go do another thing.....

you are a very confused person.....so sometimes leaving you to your confusion might help you....

instead of you to bow down for the question you just run hahahahaha

Haha bernimoore monkey ran ijawmonkey ran.

You have jam. See question any answer you give na contradiction oboy hahahaha no where to hide. The only way out is say Jesus is God.

ijawkid:

Oboy how are you doing with the other thread u ran away from??....

As for you to get your time mean say person need to go stay for asylum....

Oguy he better pass to stay there than to sacrifice your brain to your faithful and deceit snakes alias governing bodies for brain laundry

Lololololol I feel sorry for bernimoore alias monkey today. Ben has finished you sansan plenty for your garri

Like they say abstain from blood but you go ahead and take blood fractions.

This is what am talking about. Show them how confuse they get with their own book.

BERNIMOORE: benalvino

laughter

after stealing another mans work on creation (lutz) and i warned you to desist, you now resort to adding 'words not imputed by an author originally to darby , and Dual rhelms bible below? rev 22, still says if you add+ or minus- do you know the consequencies,

see the obvious forgery you did by adding 'error' not imputed originally bolded below; benalvino; Darby bible and Dual rhelms bible;



i have exposed you, i told you that you are not having probs with me but the bible Dual rhelms bible translated since 1899 the oldest of all the bible you quoted, so how can the 1995, 2002, 2003 recent translations who are younger be the correct brother? sinning agaist the holy spirit can be dangerous!

Hey monkey I have banana. When you post the Hebrew for Malawk did you reference it? I dont know why be Ben is talking with you. All I see is mumu who is trying to upgrade to mentally ill

flourishG: as for u,I know u hv not recovered from da defeat n how I laid u flat on da other thread.I know u can't contend what I wrote over there because u didn't expect such dats y u still brought da pain up here.do u care to know y I go d other side to use aggressive words at times?it is because here is a public forum n some men act like a babysitter,pple like dat need aggression.there are 4 of u judaizers I hv spotted here including yourself n pygru n am only at war with u guys when u teach Judaism to pple of d christ.any other thing I hv no business with u guys.as for u taking side with pygru,it doesn't mean anything to me,think of it.an adult just because he wanna bring up a thread,typing rubbish.he should b babysitting if he has no job n needs aggression to know how to behave in public forum.it has nothing to do with book of Romans or whatever.

Why is nairaland allowing guys that are on their period to post? This girl acts like no one cares about her.

Yes. Some Jehovah witness ijawkid truthislight and bernimoore formally known as barister teach Satan is divine.
Jesus is not our savior
Jesus is an angel.

This people are trying to draw people into their cult.

ninja4life: Trash and who are u refering to as slave,do u mean urself and frosbel with d others,slave of who?,d skydaddy?okay o

I mean the government buddies the 8 men deceiving this small boys

The watchtower magazine is fun to read when you can identify the hypocrisy and name calling by the government buddies who cook the food that is making ijawkid, frobel, truthislight, bernimoore behave like the devil. Always saying Jesus is no body. Something they won't say about the faithful and deceit snakes of the watchtower

You still change words with this two monkeys ijawkid and barister or bernimoore. This people brain are with there faithful and deceit slaves. Don't bother they are lust

^^ see this ijawmonkey I say the result is the son is the only saviour as recorded in the bible and the father is the only savior as recorded and the bible again said one savior is = Jesus. What is the vendor talk? Father and son and holyspirit always work together.

If you dont like Jesus being God and our saviour go change the bible you be mumu boy. Has God do something very important without Jesus and the holy spirit? Like my man talk they work in harmony.

when did Jesus need saving? Kindly browse through your fraudulent bible and show me

BERNIMOORE: benalvino



i care please, it is called forgery, and its criminal, why are you angry bro? easy now,

you are yet to prove that im a barrister, prove it now!

you STOLE Erik Lutz's work, simple!

after you failed using john 1:1 which contains only 2 persons to prove 3 entities as one God

I did not know this nigga is this foolish o. Abi government buddies hold your brain too? Why you they drink Panadol for another man headaches. If you no fit answer him question why not run away like your elder ijawkid

@bernimoore does it really matter? If it answers your question then why do you care where it came from. If this is exam its a different case o besides i know that you are a copy cat in school na naija system. But it no matter i do am and many others.

^^ this guy has lust his senses. Could you tell your government buddies to release your brain? They are over washing it. this guy just they talk shit here. Why the father they send? Why him no do am by him self. If Jesus na take those koboko carry the cross for sin how e take matter say him no be savior cause papa send am. The bible demostrates only God is the saviour then it also says only Jesus is the savior. Why bible no talk say only EHUD be savior too? If bible say only God be saviour then only Jesus be saviour e no mean say Jesus na God?

ijawkid:

Whose rendering??.....

Am I using the NWT??.....

Stop this baby prangs and get down to business........

Wisdom is personified as woman and Jesus is that woman since your brain has decided not to function well....

Wisdom is in the feminine there in 1 corinthians 1:24 and colossians 2:3......

Infact paul left it feminine to show people like you that wisdom being feminine does not make it a woman.....

I gave you an example even on some other thread if not this same thread of how Jesus being refered to as the rock foundation of the church was in the feminine form.....does that make Jesus a woman??....

We all know Jesus isn't a woman so your obsession with wisdom been rendered in the feminine way is null and void.....

dude the difference between you and Ben is you are insulting and you can't stand a mention of your religion or your fraudulent bible
If the guy will make point using your bible as he stated you believe in to show you that words are rendered different why get offended? This is typical of you. Reading above you call kjv fake and use rendering that looks like your fraudulent bible so oga why you they rage?

italo: Mr Jehovah's Witness, so which God was speaking in Rev 22:12, 13. The true God, the false god or the 'neither true nor false' god?

This people are very confused. Benalvino showed him, if he says Jesus was created and bible teach nothing came into existence not one thing without Jesus that means Jesus was created through Jesus. He will be the first to say no.

ijawkid:

I never called Jesus a false God....it was benalvino who was preSsing that all other Gods who aren't the Father must be false....I was of the opinion that people can be Gods by virtue of the fact that they came from God or because they are Gods representatives and not be false Gods........

I was of the opinion that Jesus is neither the true GOD nor a false God.....

Benalvino pressed that Jesus must be the true God....which ofcourse I don't support and by his own assertions and his exegesis of the word GOD I had to go by his stand that we can then define or claSsify Jesus under false Gods(which ofcus is not my stand)........

So don't come here ranting and misconstruing statements to feed your bile for the JW's.......

And in this post you have openely lied and maligned me,truthislight,and bernimoore by saying that we said satan is HOLY.....

That is a lie...nobody ever said that......

I only said by virtue of the definition of divine in all ramifications,satan can be said to be divine......

I listed out all the meanings of divine........

You better stop this cheap childish act of opening threads to spite people...

Its crazy,......!!!!.....

If you had noticed I don't do that...opening threads to malign persons ,.........

Benalvino ask you if Jesus is God you said yes. If the father is the only TRUE God you said yes. If Satan is a FALSE you said yes. Then he said there is only TRUE and FALSE that Jesus must be God if he is not the false God you said no. Then he said since you saying the father is the TRUE god Jesus must be FALSE God else he is TRUE god and you said yes he is FALSE god.

you like using dictionary when you check it you will see holy is related to divine. They are close in meaning. You said Satan is divine.

ijawkid:

Oboy na wetin u dey talk??....

Well I never wan get time...

This thread isn't suppose to exist if itsfact had all the facts......

If I follow ona I fit vex.........

But make I just relax.....

Let itsfact define what divine means in all ramifications and let him tell us if it doesn't apply to satan..

Dude I can post all you have said or I can provide links for everyone to see. Once you said Jesus is a FALSE GOD. And many more! No one is Lying here. You people and Mormons teach that Jesus came and pick your religion yet the two of you still disagree with each claiming only their religion is TRUE.

Sal C: Hmmm


Sound like your mind's already made up about them.

I can direct you to some thread that you will see them saying Satan is divine and many bad things that come from their mouth.

https://www.nairaland.com/1342847/question-jehovahs-witnesses-others-satan

italo: Jehovah's Witnesses! Do you know how many times they have falsely prophesied the second coming of Jesus?

Last time, when the date passed and nobody saw Jesus, they lied that Jesus had already come and gone invisibly.

Jehovah's Witnesses!

There satanic teaching is getting out of control