this is off-topic but does anyone know what the eko atlantic city really is about? what will be going on there?

ROSSIKE:

oyb said:

There you go again EXCUSING THE ACTS OF FOREIGN CRIMINAL ORGANISATIONS WORKING IN CAHOOTS WITH LOCAL COLLABORATORS.

You simply CANNOT do that and expect to be taken seriously. You are little more than a BODYGUARD for those imperialist interests. You talk of Brazil. But we are not Brazil. If Brazil's govt is being overtaken by foreigners, that's their problem. If it's not, it's their cup of tea as well.

We are talking of Nigeria. Leave ''Brazil'' OUT OF IT.

You think Brazil is heaven? Have you been to Brazil? Do you know there are millions of malnourished children in Brazil?

Do you know there are slums in Brazil that make Ajegunle look like the Garden of Eden?

Please we need sensible contributions here.

If Nigerians are told that what these multinationals do is ''normal business'', including bugging ministers offices, is that not a FREE PASS for criminal actions by those groups? It is, and we reject that. If such acts are normal elsewhere, they must not be regarded as ''normal'' in NIGERIA.

it may be too much for you to handle, but let me put it in simple terms, not long ago, brazil was a basket case on the same level as nigeria. they have sorted themselves out.

while i understand that people like you would prefer to sit in their sheet and whine and make excuses and blame everyone but themselves for their predicaments - i am more forward minded.

brazil is an example to follow.

they have strong indigenous oil companies.

look at their model

all this chase shell out is just noise.

in a sane society, several govt officials would be resigning. but nigerians don't resign.

we are still waiting for amazon dora to comment on this

oyinda.:

this is off-topic but does anyone know what the eko atlantic city really is about? what will be going on there?

It is a glorified private estate that is to be controlled and maintained by the private developers who own it. Think VGC, only on a grander scale.

I swear to God, Hassange needs to be knighted . . . all what you know and people reply with 'hearsay' gets out in the open.
Two weeks ago, if anyone had come out to say the Multinationals had a grip on Nigeria, half of y'all would have said 'nah' . . . it's our government.
Now it's proven that these guys are even stronger than the state itself.

Come on, we have to do sumn about this . . . anything, even a huge fine, or mandatory injunction to build a thousand schools or sumn.
It's not going to solve the problem, but we all know Nigeria needs to start with baby steps.

i dont understand all this. Have they turned politicians

Come on, we have to do sumn about this . . . anything, even a huge fine, or mandatory injunction to build a thousand schools or sumn.
It's not going to solve the problem, but we all know Nigeria needs to start with baby steps.

and what happens to the ministers presidents etal who have been compromised by shell

unless you want another halliburton/willbros fiasco in which all the major players have been left behind, and it is small fry who are getting shafted

nothing will happen

is it not the same fg that was cap in handing to these same multinationals for 50th anniversary adverts

by the time shell starts naming names

i'm not eve sure if those bully boy nass twats will have the liver to call them for hearing

unless we want to find out how many of them got world cup tickets, suvs for christams, etc

eldee:

I swear to God, Hassange needs to be knighted . . . a[b]ll what you know and people reply with 'hearsay' gets out in the open.
Two weeks ago, if anyone had come out to say the Multinationals had a grip on Nigeria, half of y'all would have said 'nah' . . . it's our government.
Now it's proven that these guys are even stronger than the state itself.[/b]

Come on, we have to do sumn about this . . . anything, even a huge fine, or mandatory injunction to build a thousand schools or sumn.
It's not going to solve the problem, but we all know Nigeria needs to start with baby steps.

Nigerians ehn? ROFLMAO!!!

What about the over a billion dollars these companies have already been caused to pay to build the communities and schools? How does sucking more off of them change our governmental issues?

eldee:

I swear to God, Hassange needs to be knighted . . . all what you know and people reply with 'hearsay' gets out in the open.
Two weeks ago, if anyone had come out to say the Multinationals had a grip on Nigeria, half of y'all would have said 'nah' . . . it's our government.
Now it's proven that these guys are even stronger than the state itself.

Come on, we have to do sumn about this . . . anything, even a huge fine, or mandatory injunction to build a thousand schools or sumn.
It's not going to solve the problem, but we all know Nigeria needs to start with baby steps.

I remember about a year ago when I said Nigeria has no GDP, instead the GDP we rant about is Shell's, cos they practically own us. All our officials do is sign documents and the oil companies drill, we don't even know how much they drill, they simply give us the figures we want to hear. I remember I was almost buried in abuse by NL's know little's who wanted to decieve themselves silly about our fat "GDP" that no one see's on the streets.

Nigeria has no GDP to boast of.

Yes, today the news has come out to vindicate what we already knew, Shell is in the know about every single Abuja decision on the ND and the ND is Nigeria. They own us.

Come on, we have to do sumn about this . . . anything, even a huge fine, or mandatory injunction to build a thousand schools or sumn.
It's not going to solve the problem, but we all know Nigeria needs to start with baby steps.

Guy i dey office no do make dem sack me for over laughing ooooooo

oyb said:

Quote from: ROSSIKE on Today at 10:32:49 AM
oyb said:

There you go again EXCUSING THE ACTS OF FOREIGN CRIMINAL ORGANISATIONS WORKING IN CAHOOTS WITH LOCAL COLLABORATORS.

You simply CANNOT do that and expect to be taken seriously. You are little more than a BODYGUARD for those imperialist interests. You talk of Brazil. But we are not Brazil. If Brazil's govt is being overtaken by foreigners, that's their problem. If it's not, it's their cup of tea as well.

We are talking of Nigeria. Leave ''Brazil'' OUT OF IT.

You think Brazil is heaven? Have you been to Brazil? Do you know there are millions of malnourished children in Brazil?

Do you know there are slums in Brazil that make Ajegunle look like the Garden of Eden?

Please we need sensible contributions here.

If Nigerians are told that what these multinationals do is ''normal business'', including bugging ministers offices, is that not a FREE PASS for criminal actions by those groups? It is, and we reject that. If such acts are normal elsewhere, they must not be regarded as ''normal'' in NIGERIA.


it may be too much for you to handle, but let me put it in simple terms, not long ago, brazil was a basket case on the same level as nigeria. they have sorted themselves out.

while i understand that people like you would prefer to sit in their sheet and whine and make excuses and blame everyone but themselves for their predicaments - i am more forward minded.

brazil is an example to follow.

they have strong indigenous oil companies.

look at their model

all this chase shell out is just noise.

in a sane society, several govt officials would be resigning. but nigerians don't resign.

we are still waiting for amazon dora to comment on this

Brazil sorted itself out?

Tell that to THESE slum dwellers in their capital!






Here's what Brazilians think:

''We will now cite some survey data from the TGI Brasil study.  This is a survey of 5,312 persons between the ages of 12 to 64 years old conducted during the first half of 2002.  The survey area covers nine major cities (Belo Horizonte, Brasilia, Curitiba, Fortaleza, Porto Alegre, Recife, Rio de Janeiro, Salvador, Sao Paulo) as well as the interior of Sao Paulo state
and south/southeastern Brazil.  During the survey, the respondents were shown a statement: "The first thing that the government needs to do is end corruption."  Of the respondents, 82% said that they 'completely agreed' and 12% said they 'somewhat agreed.' [Total: 94%] No other issue (be it employment, education or national security) garners as much support.''


http://www.zonalatina.com/Zldata245.htm


Sure, they sorted themselves out alright.  Brazil as a whole does not suffer so much because they are far bigger, with vaster resources than any single country in Africa, but north-eastern Brazil especially is terribly impoverished.


Sure they've recorded some progress in the fight against poverty on a year on year basis. But the same can be said about Nigeria as well. The latest UN Human Development Index shows Nigeria has gone up from 158th to 142nd in the world in just two years. So the argument that a country can still ''sort itself out'' is NO DEFENCE to the r.ape of nations by powerful western multinationals, whom YOU are here trying to defend.

In Brazil, the multinationals have run riot:

Excerpts:

Multinational Corporations Likely Cause Of Poverty In Landless Agricultural Workers Due To Land Rights Issues, Unemployment

Executive Summary

''It is likely that multinational corporations are the main cause of the displacement of agricultural workers in Brazil due to the country’s dependence on international capital from agricultural products. This situation is likely to remain unchanged in the short term. It is also likely that multinational companies will continue to be associated with threats, attacks, and killings of workers. Additionally, the presence of multinational corporations is likely to increase with more foreign direct investment (FDI) in Brazil over the next two years, further contributing to the wide disparity of wealth and the displaced in the country. These consequences of multinational corporations in Brazil violate Articles 17, 23, and 25 of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights, which guarantee rights to property, employment, and an adequate standard of living.''

http://globalred.wikispaces.com/Brazil-Multinational+Companies



I guess this again is, as Kobojunkie calls it, ''normal practice''.

sley4life:

i dont understand all this. Have they turned politicians

You might mean militants?! Here is a mere company, anxious about the delivery of surface to air missiles. We need to ask what Shell really is.

Kobojunkie:


Nigerians ehn? ROFLMAO!!!

Hehehe . . . isn't it funny that you guys use in word 'Nigerians' in a condescending manner?

So because I joked about him being knighted, it takes away the point itself??
All I said was there is a need for us to collectively stand up against the Corps, uniting with our government to punish them.
At least that's one problem we can solve on our own  . . . we don't need all our leaders to be honest to do that.

If we're going to have problems as a nation, the list we can ask for is for it to be self-inflicted . . . and not from sum company.

eldee:

Hehehe . . . isn't it funny that you guys use in word 'Nigerians' in a condescending manner?

So because I joked about him being knighted, it takes away the point itself??
All I said was there is a need for us to collectively stand up against the Corps, uniting with our government to punish them.
At least that's one problem we can solve on our own . . . we don't need all our leaders to be honest to do that.

If we're going to have problems as a nation, the list we can ask for is for it to be self-inflicted . . . and not from sum company.

Please tell me you are kidding me? Do you realize how naïve your post comes off? And do you also realize how TYPICAL this sort of response has become?
I am sorry but nothing condescending in my retort. Just pointing out that this is typical reasoning. May I advice that you take a look at actual contributions made by these oil companies to development in nigeria to understand why postulating we do the same old year after year, is likely counter productive at this point. The problem is NOT shell but our government.

Why do Nigerians seem so shocked? You actually thought the oil companies were playing fair? This nation is rotten to the core. Haven't you people realized it?

I don't blame the Nigerian leaders, I blame the people. The Nigerian leadership is just representative of the people. The people don't rise up and all they do is just complain.

Right now, I could care less.

Kobojunkie:

Please tell me you are kidding me? Do you realize how naïve your post comes off? And do you also realize how TYPICAL this sort of response has become?
I am sorry but nothing condescending in my retort. Just pointing out that this is typical reasoning. May I advice that you take a look at actual contributions made by these oil companies to development in nigeria to understand why postulating we do the same old year after year, is likely counter productive at this point. The problem is NOT shell but our government.

Naiive is 'nationalise the oil companies' . . . logical is, 'you cannot do without them, but at least deter them from continuing with this'.
What . . . you think Microsoft does not contribute to Europe's economy?? Or you think companies that get fined in the UK don't contribute to their economy??
Now you come here with your 'I have a dream' speech of 'clear out the leaders, change their mentality overnight' and I'm here talking about how we should do sumn to caution them and you accuse me of naivety??

I guess I'm satisfied with being 'Nigerians'.

eldee:

Naiive is 'nationalise the oil companies' . . . logical is, 'you cannot do without them, but at least deter them from continuing with this'.
What . . . you think Microsoft does not contribute to Europe's economy?? Or you think companies that get fined in the UK don't contribute to their economy??
Now you come here with your 'I have a dream' speech of 'clear out the leaders, change their mentality overnight' and I'm here talking about how we should do sumn to caution them and you accuse me of naivety??

I guess I'm satisfied with being 'Nigerians'.

You know that's almost impossible, right?

well, i must say thank you to everybody. i see us all thinking about Nigeria and Nigeria alone. this doesn't happen often. principally this is what the groups code named: power lords always want to achieve is a perpetual state of division and selfishness which provides a means for them to perpetually entrench their hegemony. they abound everywhere and are represented by various platforms e.g governments, multinationals, NGO, corporations, individuals, parties etc. who they are really wouldn't matter but what they seek to achieve is the issue.

Project Nigeria
keep the people in a perpetual state of ignorance and you will continue to be able to tap their resources. a very simple reason why no community with a resources is ever allowed to develop educationally. the Niger delta as a case study

keep the people disunited and they will be too busy fighting themselves to ever collaborate for development. divide and rule is a strategy that always works

poverty is a potent tool to keep the will to fight for freedom at bay. when they are struggling to sustain their families they wouldn't have the time to strategies for a change

manipulate their leaders and intimidate the followers. the followers would never trust the leaders and can not usurp power because death awaits the perpetrators

strengthen ethnic and tribal ideologies and every body will only fight for his own. even if your brother is the bad man, he would still be seen to be better than any other from other group

widen the gap between the rich and the poor, let them detest one another and you have disconnected the machinery for any change. the human resources and the material resources

ensure their children are ignorant about the history and dissociated from the future. let them have an education that is devoid of anything about their nation. ever wondered why citizenship education was removed from the curriculum?

if you are wondering how this works, i encourage you to attend any business strategy class or meeting. we all do these things in our own way. the difference is that we do not have the intention to keep our people in slavery but have a profitable business

keeping you has a slave is thier business

now, what can we do?

Beaf:

You might mean militants?! Here is a mere company, anxious about the delivery of surface to air missiles. We need to ask what Shell really is.

like everyone else doing business or living in nigeria, shell is responsible for its power, security, water etc

do you think any sane business or individual will rely on the police or sss ( we could not stop the bomb blast because it was raining) for securing the safety and security of ts employees and assets?


have the police or army or sss solved any kidnapping?

ROSSIKE:

oyb said:


Brazil sorted itself out?

Tell that to THESE slum dwellers in their capital!






Here's what Brazilians think:

''We will now cite some survey data from the TGI Brasil study.  This is a survey of 5,312 persons between the ages of 12 to 64 years old conducted during the first half of 2002.  The survey area covers nine major cities (Belo Horizonte, Brasilia, Curitiba, Fortaleza, Porto Alegre, Recife, Rio de Janeiro, Salvador, Sao Paulo) as well as the interior of Sao Paulo state
and south/southeastern Brazil.  During the survey, the respondents were shown a statement: "The first thing that the government needs to do is end corruption."  Of the respondents, 82% said that they 'completely agreed' and 12% said they 'somewhat agreed.' [Total: 94%] No other issue (be it employment, education or national security) garners as much support.''


http://www.zonalatina.com/Zldata245.htm


Sure, they sorted themselves out alright.  Brazil as a whole does not suffer so much because they are far bigger, with vaster resources than any single country in Africa, but north-eastern Brazil especially is terribly impoverished.


Sure they've recorded some progress in the fight against poverty on a year on year basis. But the same can be said about Nigeria as well. The latest UN Human Development Index shows Nigeria has gone up from 158th to 142nd in the world in just two years. So the argument that a country can still ''sort itself out'' is NO DEFENCE to the r.ape of nations by powerful western multinationals, whom YOU are here trying to defend.

In Brazil, the multinationals have run riot:

Excerpts:

Multinational Corporations Likely Cause Of Poverty In Landless Agricultural Workers Due To Land Rights Issues, Unemployment

Executive Summary

''It is likely that multinational corporations are the main cause of the displacement of agricultural workers in Brazil due to the country’s dependence on international capital from agricultural products. This situation is likely to remain unchanged in the short term. It is also likely that multinational companies will continue to be associated with threats, attacks, and killings of workers. Additionally, the presence of multinational corporations is likely to increase with more foreign direct investment (FDI) in Brazil over the next two years, further contributing to the wide disparity of wealth and the displaced in the country. These consequences of multinational corporations in Brazil violate Articles 17, 23, and 25 of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights, which guarantee rights to property, employment, and an adequate standard of living.''

http://globalred.wikispaces.com/Brazil-Multinational+Companies



I guess this again is, as Kobojunkie calls it, ''normal practice''.

i wont even bother reading further, you mus have looked really hard to find old 2002 articles  

rosskie and dubious arguments

dude, there are poor dienfranchised people and slums everywhere in the world - even in the most advanced countries.

so would we also say the us is poor because there are ghettos in washington dc?

posting only one set of pictures is the sort of half baked duplicity one woule expect from the likes of you.

brazil is touted for all as a miracle of economic recovery and can do . fortunately they and their leader are made of sterner stuff than you and you beloved national assmebly who you keep making excuses for

Omenani said:

Why do Nigerians seem so shocked? You actually though the oil companies were playing fair? This nation is rotten to the core. Haven't you people realized it?

I don't blame the Nigerian leaders, I blame the people. The Nigerian leadership is just representative of the people. The people don't rise up and all they do is just complain.

Well said. But you can hardly blame the people. What do they know? A far as they're concerned, the only problem we have is of ''our leaders chopping money''. Finish!

They think our problems start and end with that. They even view the  multinationals favourably,  as ''blameless Oyibos''.

So they are not equipped to fight a problem they've not even properly identified.

When those who should know, such as oyb and kobojunkie, are busy covering up the crimes of these companies as ''normal practice'', rather than telling the people what is going on and how ''our leaders'' ie their local plants and pansies, are in collaboration with them to rob us blind?

By right every voting Nigerian today ought to be conversant with the role played by multinationals in our country, for good or for ill, and offer support to elective candidates based on that knowledge. But how many even THINK about that? In contrast, Venezuela and Latin America are places where such discussions are held daily in the public realm, bringing greater awareness and thus impetus to resist the oppressors and their local collaborators, and throwing up true nationalists like Chavez and Lula etc.

But when our own ''intellectuals'' would prefer to keep the people uninformed, and shout down anyone who so much as mentions the M word, thereby discouraging a holistic appraisal of our condition, one which MUST include the role played by multinationals as much as it does local players (since they are two sides of one coin), what hope the people?

@Kobojunkie

Could you please stop editing your posts . . . if you have sumn new to say, use a new post.
It's hard for me to keep going back to see if you've decided to say sumn I agree with.

Mobinga:

You know that's almost impossible, right?

I don't know if they'll stop entirely . . . but one thing I'm sure of is that we won't know if we don't try.
You don't scrap the police because there'll always be criminals do you??

ROSSIKE:

Omenani said:

Well said. But you can hardly blame the people. What do they know? A far as they're concerned, the only problem we have is of ''our leaders chopping money''. Finish!

They think our problems start and end with that. They even see multinationals as ''blameless  Oyibos''. So they are not equipped to fight a problem they've not even properly identified.

When those who should know are busy covering up the crimes of these companies as ''normal practice'', rather than telling the people what is going on and how ''our leaders'' are in collaboration with foreign exploiters like Shell, how will they know?

and sometimes all we simply say is corruption, corruption and corruption

there seem to be no other answer to our problems

i think the first step is for those who have been oppurtuned to have a lilttle insight, i mean little cos this thing is big and deeper than we think, to start educating others. we need more young people to gwt into the flow. the future of this country lies in our hand

Interesting piece of news.

Our birthright as a Nation has been sold. Amidst the numerous problems that plague us a nation, we also have SHELL and various other multinational companies to deal with.

The logic behind all these is simple. The WESTERN world, still have the colonial rule mentality. Just that it has taken a tricky form of using multinational companies, world bank loans, International bank organisations, debts and credits to hold us down.

This is not about our GOVERNMENT. This is is about us as individuals fighting this menace. This is why sometimes, I support what the militants in Niger Delta are doing.

Pataki:

Interesting piece of news.

Our birthright as a Nation has been sold. Amidst the numerous problems that plague us a nation, we also have SHELL and various other multinational companies to deal with.

The logic behind all these is simple. The WESTERN world, still have the colonial rule mentality. Just that it has taken a tricky form of using multinational companies, world bank, International bank organisations to hold us down.

This is not about our GOVERNMENT. This is is about us an individuals to fight this menace. This is why sometimes, I support what the militants in Niger Delta are doing.

I mentioned this and someone said I was being 'naive'.

Pataki:

This is why sometimes, I support what the militants in Niger Delta are doing.

+1. If continuing to kidnap foreign oil workers will drive out Shell from the Nigeria, then perhaps it is best if more of them are kidnapped. Or if more pipelines are blown up.

As I said earlier, perhaps the militants shouldn't be viewed as terrorists, but instead as patriots. After all, they are fighting Shell when nobody else, not even the government has the balls to do so.

ROSSIKE:

@Dapo, the thing with Shell is they've been in the country so long they've got our number in a serious way. They know what makes our leaders tick. [/b]They know how to work the terrain, just as expertly as an IBB or an OBJ, or even a PDP.

So it will be very difficult to dislodge them.

talking out of both sides of your mouth,should i be surprised ? now run off and go and edit the highlighted post

ROSSIKE:

Beautiful and impressive pics. It's scandalous that this side of Africa is DELIBERATELY HIDDEN by the western media from the global public. Each and every time you are shown ANYTHING about Kenya, it is the animals.

the same way you are deliberately western mediaing brazil, eh ?  

ROSSIKE:

buzugee said:


Don't forget that the Asian tigers like South Korea, Singapore, Malaysia etc started their journey to industrialisation  as outposts of western capitalist  expansion, [b]effected by western 'predators, opportunists etc', yet look at the Asian Tigers today.

We CAN make this work.

this from the same whiner about shell  

eldee:

I mentioned this and someone said I was being 'naive'.

Kobojunkie is nothing but an electronic junkie. She argues like as if she is being paid by the USG  to do so. Never stable in her arguments.

DapoBear:

+1. If continuing to kidnap foreign oil workers will drive out Shell from the Nigeria, then perhaps it is best if more of them are kidnapped. Or if more pipelines are blown up.

As I said earlier, perhaps the militants shouldn't be viewed as terrorists, but instead as patriots. After all, they are fighting Shell when nobody else, not even the government has the balls to do so.

I remember when I did my Masters, during one of the lectures, a top member of shell was introduced to give a presentation on Corporate Social Responsibility (CSR) using the Shell report of 2007. This dude kept on making mouth on what Shell is providing in the Niger Delta of Nigeria to make their CSR reporting sweet. I was fuming with rage inside me. When he finished his presentation, and it was question time - suffice it to say, the guy left the lecture room that day with frowns all over his face.

There is a two hour video show on youtube, called Zeitgist Addendum II. I enjoin everyone to watch that video. It shows the three man plan the USG employs to take over any country in which they have an interest in. And unfortunately, SHELL is exactly playing to that script.

DapoBear:

+1. If continuing to kidnap foreign oil workers will drive out Shell from the Nigeria, then perhaps it is best if more of them are kidnapped. Or if more pipelines are blown up.

As I said earlier, perhaps the militants shouldn't be viewed as terrorists, but instead as patriots. After all, they are fighting Shell when nobody else, not even the government has the balls to do so.

thats disconnected intellectualism

the 'miltants' in the ND are fighting for their pockets , nothing more. read up on tompolo and co - billionaires from oil bunkering.

it is easy to have some romantic notion of them as heroes if you are not in nigeria.

the so called repentant militants went on a robbing and raping spree in a university when they were not paid on time

kidnapping has always been in the nd, even before mend - they just brought a new dimension into it

how can a person claim to be fighting for freedom and emancipation when you kidnap for money like a common criminal and damage the environment?

oyb said:

@Dapo, the thing with Shell is they've been in the country so long they've got our number in a serious way. They know what makes our leaders tick. They know how to work the terrain, just as expertly as an IBB or an OBJ, or even a PDP.

So it will be very difficult to dislodge them.

talking out of both sides of your mouth,should i be surprised ? now run off and go and edit the highlighted post

What is contradictory about that?  Ridiculous.

Quote from: ROSSIKE on Yesterday at 10:14:21 PM
Beautiful and impressive pics. It's scandalous that this side of Africa is DELIBERATELY HIDDEN by the western media from the global public. Each and every time you are shown ANYTHING about Kenya, it is the animals.




the same way you are deliberately western mediaing brazil, eh ?

YOU were the one painting Brazil as a place that had ''sorted itself out''. I showed you that Brazil has NOT ''sorted itself out''. Again, no contradictions there.
 

Quote from: ROSSIKE on Yesterday at 10:51:40 PM
buzugee said:


Don't forget that the Asian tigers like South Korea, Singapore, Malaysia etc started their journey to industrialisation as outposts of western capitalist  expansion, effected by western 'predators, opportunists etc', yet look at the Asian Tigers today.

We CAN make this work.


this from the same whiner about shell

What garbage. We CAN make it work if we engage them in a way that protects our interests.  Our people need to be made aware of the dynamics and networks revolving around our leaders and the multinationals. Only then can they be empowered to identify and checkmate negative collaboration with foreign interests by their leaders.

You stand for SILENCE. Don't mention the whites.

The question is WHY?

Are they paying you?

Or does your relative work for Shell?

Pataki:

Kobojunkie is nothing but an electronic junkie. She argues like as if she is being paid by the USG  to do so. Never stable in her arguments.

It's shocking, how can an learned person say this . . .'What about the over a billion dollars these companies have already been caused to pay to build the communities and schools?'.

It's like saying . . . 'Because Warren Buffet creates jobs in America, he should go scot-free if he's charged with tax-evasion'.

The United State's Economic Espionage Act of1996 has extraterritorial jurisdiction and the US we all know will hound and hunt any ''perceived'' culprit sabotaging their cherished economy as is the example in the long drawn sword between them and China and their perceived economic enemies.

As expected, America's EEA doesn't make provision for their own indictment if they are ever found culpable of breaching another Sovereign states law. It behoves on other nations to enact such laws to protect their very own interest too but Nigeria will surely be the exception to the rule.

I know about some non-government sensitive offices here in Lagos that constantly ensures their communication equipments and channel of communication are not compromised (bugged etc) how much more the office of a Petroleum Minister being a cheap place for foreign missions to install devices and eavesdropp in his conversation   Talk about the characteristics of a failed state

Another food for thought, we have the SSS and the Nigerian Intelligence community, what is their use if they cant maintain an extra eye on foreigners and counter such on our very own soil

I may not be able to make a sudden change but i have uploaded the link as suggested on the social sites that i belong to, let the young ones know how independent and sovereign that this Nation is.

I am shocked at some responses on this thread. Where have you folks been all these years. What do you think Shell is. A business. A raw unadulterated business. What is a government, a raw Nigerian government. If you do not know SHELL IS BIGGER THAN THE NIGERIAN GOVERNMENT. It has been bigger than the government since BP left. Consider this simple analogy. Oil accounts for what 90 percent of our income, thus oil accouts for 90 percent of our GDP. Now Shell, one company produces over 60 percent of this oil. Do the maths. Shell acounts for approx. 50 percent of our GDP. Which means in lay terms for every two policemen one owes his salary to Shell, equally for every two state security men, customs officer, bank staff, fire man, doctor, nurse, mechanic, pastor, etc. Do we talk of infrastructure one of every two kilometres of roads, one airport in two, one minute in two of your airtime, one mega byte of two you use to hang onto Nairaland. If others (telecoms, taxes, hustling, forex repatrations by you good fellows out there, etc) pays one legislator, Shell pays the other. Hell I wonder who they choose to pay, the President or Vice President. So why are you surprised they have information about government. Who's office is it anyway. How can you spy on yourself.

You may ask. How come ? It came by in the sixties and seventies when you abandoned all other sources and forms of productivity and jumped into one. You sold your house to buy a chair. Or is the saying 'he who pays the piper dictates the tune' no longer applicable for Shell. Did they tell you to abandon coal, ginger, hides and skin, tin, copper, did they tell you to abandon agriculture, did the force you not to complete Ajaokuta and bar you from industrialization.

Who in this forum in all sincerity will not grab the monopoly of Shell with both hands. Who will not savour indirect control of this country. We all love power but power corrupts. Shell is massively corrupt because it is massively powerful. Who let it be. We the people because of our laziness, the government because it loves cheap money. So Shell did what all businesses do. It trades. It traded money for power. Government got the money, Shell got the power. As long as our focus remains on personal gain alone, Shell and the likes will continue to rule. Julius Berger, Dangote, Oando, etc are the same, just mini Shells. It is not a white thing. It is a global thing. Corporations control corrupt governments.

Big oil and big defence were key players in the Iraqi debacle because the Bush regime was corrupt. They had eyes and ears in the White House, they controlled the powerful armed services committee of the House. If I was in a business for forty years and traded trillions of dollars I would be grossly foolish not to penetrate every institution that can threaten it.

My friends, due to globalization corporations are the new countries and corporate I.D cards will soon become more valuable than international passports. Maybe, just maybe this 666 business will happen. The top ten fortune companies will buy out Africa three times over.

If you don’t like control don’t worship money. These folks produce everything we need for life and existence and you simply cannot send them away. What you can do is to say no to perceived excesses.  It is called regulation. I believe in foreign investment and foreign participation but I recognize getting the right balance is critical. This is what the Niger-Delta struggle has always been about and some naïve people turn up their noses. The people are not anti-Shell or anti-Nigeria or anti-government. All they want is a fair and right balance in control. The right to say no when they feel cheated. Simple.

My dad once told me partnerships only succeed when one party accepts to be cheated by the other.  True as this may be. Must it.

Now the Niger Delta problem has become a scandal that is hitting every citizen in the jugular; what are most gonna do?
Those who have always taken the shallow view that the answer to ND problems is the JTF, what are you gonna say to yourselves now?
Now that it has been proven that the ND is Nigeria's weak spot, through which Shell has gained control of our govt, what are your next steps?

I'll give a pointer to mine. Under true federalism, Shell would never have control of the Nigerian govt; with resource control, Shell would never have access to the handles of the Nigerian govt.

It is time to look that little bit deeper. _{In fact I should start a thread on this.}