@Ajisafe!!!!

ANSWER THE QUESTION U slowpoke!!!! WHAT DO U CALL PEOPLE THAT SLEEP WITH NINE YEAR OLDS, U SCARED NOW? SPEAK THE TRUTH AND SHAME THE DEVIL HUH?, LET ME HEAR ONE WORD FROM U AGAIN, I HOPE THEY ARE KEEPING AN EYE ON ALL THE NINE YEAR OLDS AROUND YOU, IN FACT ALL THE UNDERAGE GIRLS AROUND U!!!

@ me, myself:
It seems as if you're one sick little kid. From now on, I'll ignore you like I have done to the select few amongst those ignorant buffoons. Since you've faked yourself that you're a "Muslima" I asked how you would handle the insults such as the ones by the accursed emmie4j, in your futile attempts at pleasing the disbelieving folks, it's me you continued to blame. Shame on you! You talked about me "[having] sinned greatly by callin Jesus, an european demi god, as Jesus is not a god in islam but he's one of our prophets!and as far as i know, u don't insult a prophet and get away wit it!" I said it before and I'll repeat it: If by "Jesus" you all meant that white-looking portrait, created by Michelangelo, yes, he is nothing but a European demigod! But if we're talking about the highly-esteemed Prophet Yisa/Issa, he's my prophet and I shall accord him the utmost respect due everyone of the prophets of Allah.

As for that Western kid, emmie4j, he's only a very sick extremist (like Jerry Falwell and Pat Robertson) and in need of an assylum like that seminary fool that burned down a porn shop the other day. So, I won't lose sleep over animals like him.

Ajisafe:

@ me, myself:
It seems as if you're one sick little kid. From now on, I'll ignore you like I have done to the select few amongst those ignorant buffoons. Since you've faked yourself that you're a "Muslima" I asked how you would handle the insults such as the ones by the accursed emmie4j, in your futile attempts at pleasing the disbelieving folks, it's me you continued to blame. Shame on you! You talked about me "[having] sinned greatly by callin Jesus, an european demi god, as Jesus is not a god in islam but he's one of our prophets!and as far as i know, u don't insult a prophet and get away wit it!" I said it before and I'll repeat it: If by "Jesus" you all meant that white-looking portrait, created by Michelangelo, yes, he is nothing but a European demigod! But if we're talking about the highly-esteemed Prophet Yisa/Issa, he's my prophet and I shall accord him the utmost respect due everyone of the prophets of Allah.

As for that Western kid, emmie4j, he's only a very sick extremist (like Jerry Falwell and Pat Robertson) and in need of an assylum like that seminary fool that burned down a porn shop the other day. So, I won't lose sleep over animals like him.

Haha,, LOOK WHO IS CALLING SOMEONE AND EXTREMIST, U ARE SO SICK,  u CANNOT ANSWER THE QUESTION?, U HAVE NOT ANSWERED THE QUESTION, SEE HOW U DANCE AROUND THE BUSH WHEN U HAVE BEEN EXPOSED?, WHAT DO U CALL ADULTS THAT SLEEPS WITH 9 YEAR OLDS? DID MOHAMED SLEEP WITH A NINE YEAR OLD OR NOT?, DOESNT THAT MAKE HIM A PEDIOPHILE?, ANSWER THE QUESTION AND PUT ME TO SLEEP ONCE AND FOR ALL, OH AM LOVING THIS!!!!!

me,myself:

4_get me, like i said, the beef u've got is wit Ajisafe,so please face him. he claims to knows so much about islam but obviously he doesnt as if he does, he would know that he's sinned greatly by callin Jesus, an european demi god, as Jesus is not a god in islam but he's one of our prophets!and as far as i know, u don't insult a prophet and get away wit it!

so please, i don't like this, could u guys please just ignore Ajisafe, and in time he'll get tired of talkin to himself! i think he's some sick guy who is gettin his kicks frm this

@me,myself,

I understand you, but it's not my style to see things happening like this. I'm not the one returning caustic and vitriolic invectives - and I trust you can see that. We can all have debates without trading insults; however, where things of this nature occur for no reason at all, it's not normal, but rather unfortunate that it has gotten to this level.

Emmie j,
1)her real age isnt really known, she might have been young but had attained puberty, one of the beliefs is that she was 10yrs at the time of proposal and 15yrs before the actual CONSUMATION.the fact that it was consummated, doesnt actually mean he slept with her, so please get your facts straight!
and he slept with her with HER PERMISSION, so it really isnt anyone's problem if she was young! he didnt force her!

emmie j AND 4_get me, i respect your God, i'm not askin to u to respect mine, because i can't 4ce u but please don't call him or any of his prophets names,please.

respect is reciprocal.

for Ajisafe, “You do not do evil to those who do evil to you, but you deal with them with forgiveness and kindness.” (Sahih Al-Bukhari ) , think over it.

oh yeah, he didnt force her?, would u let a grown man sleep with ur underage daughter or sister,, and say, oh well she was Hot, IT IS CALLED STATUTORY RAPE AND THE GUY IS USUALLY CALLED A PEDOPHILE OR IS HE NOT?? THATS THE QUESTION I WANT U TO ANSWER, WHAT DO U CALL PEOPLE THAT SLEEP WITH UNDERAGE GIRLS

@ emmie4j,
Honestly, you need help and I hope you get it fast. Didn't you say that after you received explanations to your evil questions you would keep your mouth shut and go to sleep? Why are you continuing in this your foolishness? Let your mama and papa come on board -- I want to talk to them. This is way out of hand, you need your medication. Autistc patients are not supposed to be left unattended. Let me talk to your parents.

me,myself:

emmie j AND 4_get me, i respect your God, i'm not askin to u to respect mine, because i can't 4ce u but please don't call him or any of his prophets names,please.

@me,myself
You've had enough for the day, and I'm not one to continue a debate with ill-feelings. However, just incase you're confusing me for someone else, I haven't called God or any of His prophets names.

Peace.

Hey people!When discussing religious issues here you guys must respect yourselves becsuse these Prophets you give all sorts of stupid names are far better and respected by people who believe and respect their various teachings than all your parents.The issue here is Islam as a global threat and this entails people who makes it seem what certain category of people think it is not about PROPHET MOHAMMED or PROPHET JESUS MAY THIER SOULS REST IN PERFECT PEACE,AMEEN.When someone accuses any of the two prophets of sleeping with an underaged child does not even know or value his own faith.This is a forum where every topic is brought for discussion and we discuss to understand ourselves better not abusing or fighting.It distorts the real essence of the forum and if this should persist,I advise Mr Seon to close issues of this nature as it will only cause discomfort in the society,thanks.

hear! hear! hear!

me,myself,did i say anything wrong there?cos i dont understand you by hear!hear!hear!pls say it out.

meanin i totally agree wit you, i dont like controversial issues and this wasnt one but some pple that have 0 tolerance and patience turned it to one, so Basharu, i'm absolutely wit you!

@ 4_get me, i'm sorry for mixin you and emmie4j up.

@emmie4j, i've given you ur ans, i'm just gonna ignore you!

Thanks and goodbye me,myself.

Basharu,

I just thought I should correct you on this.  You don't need to have a R.I.P. in the front of Jesus name.  He isn't dead.  He is Risen.  Hallelluyah.  

For the others: "And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment." - Hebrews 9:27.  Each soul will come to know peace or otherwise after the Day of Judgement.

Sory for that as i said that based on my knowledge abaut THE GREAT JESUS OF NAZARRETH,thanks for the correction.

May I just put in this thought in regards to Basharu's writing again. By the way Basharu, thanks for being gentlemanly in making that correction.

Are all other Prophets better than the rest of us? I really don't think so. Every man is corrupt and sinful, the difference is that these Prophets yielded themselves for God to use them. God only deals with every man on the medium of Grace. It has nothing to do with a person being good or not. claiming that these prophets are better than the rest of us is saying God used them because they were good enough by God's standard. I beg to disagree with that. I could show you this from the Bible if required.

In fact, I believe there are some godless people today who are more honest, more morally upright and generous than some of us who are faith people. Though these high morals by human standard doesn't equate to divine standard, yet their good acts and lifestyle does not qualify them as God's vessels.

Go TayoD--Go Go, , i was just about to say the same thing too!! my Jesus is alive! glory to God! just makes me want to shout! He is alive o! and i know cuz i spoke with Him this morning and He answered me!

There's no man more righteous than me, cuz "all have sinned and fallen short of God's glory, His standards, His righteousness" Rom 3:23, but what gives me a sense of right standing with God, gives me boldness to call Him Father, to stand before Him without the feeling of guilt, shame or an inferiority complex is the righteousness purchased by the risen lamb of God! halleluya (2 Cor 5:21)

Ajisafe, my friend, i go to a church that doesn't have a potrait of a white man, with blonde hair and blue eyes. As far as i'm concerned, Jesus' nationality and skin color should not be an issue, because that's not what qualified Him to be the savior, if that was it--God could have used a regular prophet! but it's the holiness of who Christ is, His divine birth--that's what makes Him Christ. Conceived without sin--that's what makes Him the chosen one. For what He did, no man with sin could have done it. So the issue of my savior's skin color isn't an issue for me, as long as i believe He IS the Son of God, died and rose again, have confessed and accepted that truth--i'm happy. If Jesus likes, when He comes back, let His skin color be white, black or blue, i'm more interested in His shed blood.

Your Jesus is still alive. Muslims agree to that? Nothing new about that.

Islamism- The New Global threat?

I dont agree, because if I look at people dying everyday in Iraq for example, most are muslims, so the question is:-
Is it really a religion issue? Lets think and be honest in regards.

@ Dearzi,
I thought we were friends -- why didn't you answer my questions? Again, what's your Muslim name? Why did you leave Islam to join the crusaders? Maybe you and I can actually preach reasonably to each other, aside from other myopic evangelists. I'm waiting, girl.

Logical,
i don't think muslims agree Jesus is alive o! they think He is dead. whatever anyone thinks, i know He is alive, and i live because He lives!

As for whether it's really a religion issue, what do you think it is? oil? pray do tell what you think it is. I have no opinion here. I heard a speaker who just came from Iraq, gosh, my heart broke--i know people are dieing there, so if you don't think Islam's a global threat, what do you think it is? America?

Thank goodness you said you "think", you need to start reading islamic books to know the islamic version of Jesus story. Just a snippet of the story which is not a direct extraction.

According to Islam, Jesus was replaced during the crucifixion with another empty body that has no soul, and he was lifted to heaven, and he wasnt crucified. I guess you didnt know that.

America would likely attack Iran for example? What is your say? Are they peaceful in nature?

Ajisafe my friend,

I think you're becoming quite a gentleman, and i'm really proud of you, you're getting there. There's nothing wrong with having a soft side. Sha! my name's Zaynab. I left Islam to join "the crusaders," because as a little girl, the picture of Jesus got embedded in my head--as a man of many sorrows Isaih 53:3. I never got over that image, and it broke my heart more and more when i thought about it. And i started trying to understand why He went through all He went through, and when i got it that He did it once and for all for me, the only thing to do was just fall in love with Him--which i am, and i have no regrets about.

Since becoming a "crusader"   i'm more in love with Jesus than when i first met Him as a man of sorrows. Might not make sense to you, cuz it's a personal experience, but with time, it's become an intimate relationship. I have this comfort that i'm not alone, that i'm loved regardless of who i am, who i've been, what i've done and all. When i need comfort His presence is so real to me, so real. I've put my hand to the plough and i'm not turning back. So, that's my crusading story!

My dear friend, which question did you ask? i hope i've answered it now?

@ Logical
Aha! thanks for the clarification. I actually intend to start studying the Quaran-- no evil intents behind it. And i did hear that, but some things stay with you more than others.
As for America-- she's a proud nation, will go to war because of "national security." Are they peaceful in nature? let me ask you one question, does a thing with a violent origin end up peaceful? the apple doesn't fall far from the tree. _{My opinion}

Your opinion seems to become understandeable and acceptable when it suits your needs. Quite pathetic dont you think?

Logical,
I don't think we should look at the issue of Iraq invasion in isolation.  While some claim it has to do with oil, I really can't say.  If it was due to oil, then there must have been a miscalculation somewhere because it is now going for record price.
America takes action to protect it's interests and that of their allies.  The Iraq war wouldn't have come about if there wasn't an invasion of Afghanistan because of 911.  911 wouldn't have come about if America, under Clinton, had taken out Osama Bin Ladin when it was easier to do so.  Saddam didn't help himself when he used chemical weapons on his citizens (the kurds).
The issue of Iran will eventually lead to a military confrontation.  America is not really bothered about the developing of nuclear weapons.  These cannot be fired to reach american soil.  Europe should be the one losing sleep over this.  However, America is more concerned because of Hezbolla who are sheltered by Iran.  This a a terrorist organization and they have the means to hurt america bad in the near future.  That is america's major concern.
Just to correct a misconception.  America may have had a christian foundation, it is by no means a Christian State.  Saying that an american action is a christian action is totally ignorant.  As Christians, we are fighting here to keep our faith alive in the public sphere.  Unlike Moslems however, we are doing it through constitutional and peaceful means like voting, demonstrations and lobbying.

Hey! dude! you don't have to call it "pathetic" it's called an opinion--develop yours. Then again, i guess your opinion's that mine is pathetic. If you'd only broaden your horizon, you'd know i was talking about America's violent origin. Hmmm did i hit a nerve or something?

dearzi, do you understand what pathetic means? Get your dictionary. I wont help you.

Unlike Moslems however, we are doing it through constitutional and peaceful means like voting, demonstrations and lobbying.

Allow me to say Bush is christian !! But his actions are not of a christian? Or the war he is waging? Common lets call a spade a spade. I am not in favour of any particular group, but I reason objectively without sentiments, so do I expect anybody that argues with me.

[b]Logical,
I don't think we should look at the issue of Iraq invasion in isolation. While some claim it has to do with oil, I really can't say. If it was due to oil, then there must have been a miscalculation somewhere because it is now going for record price.
America takes action to protect it's interests and that of their allies. The Iraq war wouldn't have come about if there wasn't an invasion of Afghanistan because of 911. 911 wouldn't have come about if America, under Clinton, had taken out Osama Bin Ladin when it was easier to do so. Saddam didn't help himself when he used chemical weapons on his citizens (the kurds).
The issue of Iran will eventually lead to a military confrontation. America is not really bothered about the developing of nuclear weapons. These cannot be fired to reach american soil. Europe should be the one losing sleep over this. However, America is more concerned because of Hezbolla who are sheltered by Iran. This a a terrorist organization and they have the means to hurt america bad in the near future. That is america's major concern.
Just to correct a misconception. America may have had a christian foundation, it is by no means a Christian State. Saying that an american action is a christian action is totally ignorant. As Christians, we are fighting here to keep our faith alive in the public sphere. Unlike Moslems however, we are doing it through constitutional and peaceful means like voting, demonstrations and lobbying. [/b]

What a myopic conservative nonsense!

Logical, of course i know what pathetic means--don't let me come and tackle you there o! . I just checked the meaning of the word to be doubly sure i'm right!!!

You know what, regardless of all our religions, we all do things that don't exemplify our religions--i know on this fact, it's wrong to castigate an entire religion/ race or whatever. The war started off for reasons of security, but i'm sure there are some parts of the war that've veered off from the original purpose, but that doesn't mean Bush is representing the whole of Christianity, he's just representing his country, of which the majority are now speaking out against. That war will end someday, but the violence we currently see in Islam, would that end?

Allow me to say, War never ends, just like you said but in direction to your curiousity towards those that "claim" to fight for the religion Islam. We should apply the same thing there. Fairness should be acceptable in this judgement

@ Dearzi,
Oh, my dear, how I wish you and I could eraze all bad things we had said about each other. Maybe we can talk to Seun about that -- what do you think? I am a gentleman, but I'm easily riled up by the nonsensical outbursts of certain christian extremists. Your given name, Zainab, happens to be one of the names I love best in this world. As a matter of fact, it's the best name in this sense. OK? I recently finished a script and the title is "Zainab." Maybe, later, Allah willing, you'll be able to read it. As for the "picture of Jesus," being embedded in you, that's a great disservice that both Leonardo Da Vinci and Michelangelo Simone did to the world. They intentionally confused the inhabitants of the Universe with their works of art. They painted very European looking images (in most cases, using their family members in Italy). Please, my dear, you need to resist the pomps of this ephemeral world. Read the al-Qur'an with an open mind. You'll see what I mean. By the way, are you a Nigerian? If so, Yoruba or Hausa?

Ajisafe
those things we've said to each other in the past are simply what they are--the past! whether Nwoke removes it or not, it doesn't change anything. We move beyond such things. That's what my relationship with God's about, i moved by His help out of a life that'd have done me no good (i'm not talking religion here, i'm talking behavior) into something beautiful, so that's what we have now. We'd said things neither of us meant, well i didn't mean none of the things i called you-it was all for the heck of it, and we're cool

I'd love to read your script. I take it you have an artistic gene in you somewhere. You're a writer? or write for the pleasure of it?

Don't let me remove my belt and come after you o! lol, did i tell you it was the picture i saw? Ajisafe! you just want to blame Da vinci Sha! lol, i watched Jesus of Nazareth at about 8 or so, and since then i was hunted by the beatings till i turned 16. It wasn't the image of the man, or his skin color that caught my attention o! it was the fact that any man would go through that on behalf of any body, that got my attention. I wondered why they were beating "that man," and when i turned 16 i got the answer--because of me.

I'm a Nigerian, from Edo State. yeah! i'll be reading the Quran, with no hidden intentions.

Logical:

Allow me to say Bush is christian !! But his actions are not of a christian? Or the war he is waging? Common lets call a spade a spade. I am not in favour of any particular group, but I reason objectively without sentiments, so do I expect anybody that argues with me.

I'm not going to bother arguing with you, but do you really care for non-sentimental views and opinions? The fact that President George Bush is a Christian does not mean that what is clearly a political issue should now be interpreted as a religiuos one. Failing to see the difference would indeed be tantamount to a lack of objectivity.

You should understand that the mind-set of most people in the middle-East is that anything Western is necessarily "Christian". How many people among themselves are their own worst enemies by training their own children to be suicide bombers with a promise to go to paradise in the cause of blowing themselves up? This view that just because Bush is a Christian and therefore the political actions he takes must be seen as religious is actually sentimental and sadly glib.